JUDY WOODRUFF: The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence met behind closed doors this
week with three key figures in their expanding Russia investigation, National Security Director
Mike Rogers, the director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, and special counsel Robert Mueller.
And with us now, the committee's top Democrat, its vice chairman, Virginia Senator Mark Warner.
Senator, first off, you -- we have been hearing, been discussing with NPR's Carrie Johnson
the fact that the special counsel has expanded his investigation to include potential obstruction
of justice.
Is that something your committee is doing as well?
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MARK WARNER (D), Virginia: Well, Judy, I'm not going to comment on the expanse of special
counselor Mueller's investigation.
I do think it's an indication of how serious it is that he is obviously recruiting some
of the top talent from around the country to assist him in this effort.
It shows how seriously he's taking this effort, and, frankly, how seriously the vast majority
of elected officials, Democrats and Republicans, who realize that the Russian intervention
was massive in our elections.
We have got to get to the bottom of it.
We have got to make sure it doesn't happen again.
It really appears that the only elected official maybe in Washington that doesn't accept the
potential dangerousness of the Russian intervention is actually the president of the United States.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, that's what I wanted to ask you about.
The president has been actively tweeting today.
Among other things, he said they went after a -- he said they made up a phony collusion
with the Russians story, they found zero proof, and now, he said, they're going after obstruction
of justice because they found nothing.
SEN.
MARK WARNER: That's, you know, just factually not appropriate.
You know, we are still early on into particularly some of the individuals that were affiliated
with the Trump campaign and their potential contacts or communications with Russians.
We thought we would be further along, but for the fact that the president, in an unprecedented
way, fired the FBI director, Jim Comey.
We have had obviously a pattern here where there are at least reports of other individuals
that were at least contacted by the president.
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of the individuals we saw.
And that's -- we need to keep confidential.
But we do have the former National Security Adviser General Flynn who was fired because
he didn't come forward with his contacts with the Russians.
We have had the attorney general recuse himself because he didn't fully disclose his contacts
with the Russians.
If the president's rendition is true, you know, that there's no there there, why wouldn't
he collaborate with the investigation to get this cleared up, as opposed to his constant
tweetage saying that this is a witch-hunt and fake news?
I don't think there's any member of the Senate that believes this is fake news that the Russians
interfered, just as they interfered in France, just as they will probably interfere in the
German elections coming up later this year.
And it's a national security threat.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, while we're talking about the question of whether there is obstruction
or not, I know your committee met this week, as we have just reported, with Dan Coats,
the director of national intelligence, and also with the National Security Agency director,
Mike Rogers, in both cases, presumably asking questions that they wouldn't -- they were
not willing the answer in open session.
Were they able to shed any more light on this question of whether they -- go ahead, yes.
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SEN.
MARK WARNER: I'm not going to get into the content of their testimony.
I will say that it's very important that sources and methods in terms of how we discovered
Russian intervention, that that is maintained and preserved, and there's an appropriate
classified portion.
I do think there are questions that still need to be explored about, if a president
was calling on these subjects, how much of that is classified.
I'm not going to comment again on any specifics, but these are all -- and what I worry about
is, is there a pattern emerging?
And that's something, again, that time will tell and, obviously, the special counsel,
Mueller, will continue to look into.
JUDY WOODRUFF: You met with the special counsel, as we said, yesterday, you and Chairman Richard
Burr.
Can you explain for us the difference between the mission of what you're doing, your committee,
and the House Intelligence Committee, vs. what Mr. Mueller is doing?
SEN.
MARK WARNER: Sure.
Well, special counsel Mueller has got a criminal standard.
In many cases, that criminal standard is quite high.
He will have to -- if he chooses to bring charges against anyone, they will have to
meet those legal standards.
We're leading a counterintelligence investigation that started with looking at Russian interference
in our election, was broadened to include any potential communication or collaboration
between officials in part of either campaign, and the focus is generally on folks affiliated
with the Trump campaign, and the Russians.
We have actually not had a chance to get to many of the witnesses that have been at least
bandied about because, again, this -- we have been superseded in a way by the firing of
Director Comey, then President Trump disparages Director Comey in front of the Russians, saying
on national television that he fired him because of the Russia investigation, all things that,
at least for this senator, raise a lot of questions that I'm still trying to sort through.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, no concern you're going to get in each other's way, that what your
committee...
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SEN.
MARK WARNER: I think that's something that we have to make sure there's appropriate deconfliction.
At the end of the day, you know, the criminal investigation, we can't do anything that would
interfere with that criminal investigation.
And, you know, I'm not going to, again, comment about our conversations with special counsel
Mueller, but I think it was a good first step, and I think we will have to have ongoing communications.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Just one final quick question.
Vice President Mike Pence, it was announced today, has hired his own private counsel to
address any issues arising out of the Russia investigation.
Do you have a comment on that?
SEN.
MARK WARNER: No, I don't have a comment, but I just -- other than the fact that it would
be helpful if the administration actually collaborated and cooperated with all of us.
What the Russians did in 2016 in the United States, the Russians have also done in the
French elections, they will do in the German elections.
And, as a state that has statewide elections this year, I'm concerned about their ongoing
efforts to try to, frankly, sow chaos in our democratic process.
And let me be clear.
This is not about relitigating 2016.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Right.
SEN.
MARK WARNER: It's not about the Russians being for Republicans or Democrats.
The Russians are for their own interests.
And we have to be careful about this new form of conflict.
JUDY WOODRUFF: But just very quickly, Senator, so I understand, you're saying the administration
is not collaborating right now with you?
SEN.
MARK WARNER: I wish there was closer cooperation.
There are a number of members of the administration who volunteered to come forward.
There are a number of individuals that work on the Trump campaign.
But I don't see what value is added by the president's constant dismissal of the seriousness
of this threat.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Senator Mark Warner, the vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, we thank you.
SEN.
MARK WARNER: Thank you, Judy.