>>> RUDY GIULIANI IS FRONT AND CENTER, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S
PERSONAL LAWYER EMERGING AS A
CENTRAL FIGURE IN THE
CONTROVERSY OF THE RELATIONSHIP
WITH UKRAINE.
WITH UKRAINE. RUDY GIULIANI SAYS HE’S BEEN
OPERATING AS THE PRESIDENT’S
PRIVATE ATTORNEY AND HAS
LAWYER’S PRIVILEGE IF HE’S
CALLED TO TESTIFY.
NOW HE SAYS HE’S MEETING WITH
UKRAINE LEADERS ON BEHALF OF THE
STATE DEPARTMENT.
STATE DEPARTMENT. >> YOU KNOW WHO I DID IT AT THE
REQUEST OF?
REQUEST OF? THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
I NEVER TALKED TO UKRAINE
OFFICIALS UNTIL THE STATE
DEPARTMENT CALLED ME AND ASK ME
TO DO IT AND I REPORTED EVERY
CONSIDERATION BACK
CONSIDERATION BACK CONVERSATION BACK TO THEM.
IT IS ALL HERE, RIGHT HERE.
THE FIRST CALL FROM THE STATE
DEPARTMENT.
DEPARTMENT. >> JOINING ME NOW, AMBASSADOR
WENDY SHERMAN WHO KNOWS
SOMETHING OF THIS, AND OUR MSNBC
GLOBAL AFFAIR AND ANNE GEARAN,
WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT WHO
KNOWS A LOT ABOUT EVERYTHING.
WHAT ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI ACTING
AS AN ENVOY FOR THE STATE
DEPARTMENT?
DEPARTMENT? >> YOU KNOW VERY WELL BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THE STATE DEPARTMENT SO
WELL.
WELL. A PRIVATE CITIZEN CAN TAKE ON AN
OBJECTIVE BUT THEY BECOME A
SPECIAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE,
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ETHIC
VETTING AND I SUSPECT IT DID NOT
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. I DON’T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT
COMES OUT OF RUDY GIULIANI’S
MOUTH.
MOUTH. HE’S BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE IN
THIS DISCUSSION AND YES, INDEED
I WOULD SUSPECT AT SOME POINT
THE STATE DEPARTMENT MAY HAVE
SPOKEN TO HIM.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THEY
WERE CONCERNED OF WHAT THE HECK
HE WAS UP TO.
>> ANNE, WE GOT THE PRESIDENT
SAYING TALK TO MY PRIVATE LAWYER
AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THEY
REPRESENT THE INVESTIGATING JOE
BIDEN AND JOE BIDEN’S SON,
HUNTER BIDEN, OVERALL THESE
ISSUES AND RAISING QUESTIONS OF
THE ORIGINS OF THE MUELLER PROBE
ALL IN ONE CONVERSATION.
>> RATHER DIRECT LINK FROM RUDY
GIULIANI AND LAWYER BARR THAT
THE PRESIDENT MAKES IN THIS
PHONE CALL THAT THE NOTES OF THE
PHONE CALL THAT WERE YESTERDAY
IS ONE OF THE STARTLING ASPECTS
OF IT.
OF IT. HE’S BASICALLY PUTTING THE TWO
OF THEM ON HIS TEAM IN THIS
BIDEN/UKRAINE QUESTION AND
ASKING THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
TO HELP THEM OUT WHICH I MEAN
THE PRESIDENT’S PRIVATE LAWYER
AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAVE
SPECIFICALLY DIFFERENT JOB
DESCRIPTIONS OR SHOULD.
>> AND WENDY SHERMAN, THE
QUESTION OF U.S. AMBASSADOR OF
UKRAINE, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT OF
THAT.
THAT. SHE DEPARTED THE STATE
DEPARTMENT UNDER A VERY CLOUDY
CIRCUMSTANCES AT THE SAME TIME
IS RUDY GIULIANI QUOTE ENVOY.
SMOO
SMOO SMOO
SMOO >> SHE WAS A CAREER
PROFESSIONAL, SHE WAS A PERSON
OF ENORMOUS CHARACTER AND FINE
QUALITY AND NEW LANGUAGE IS IN
THE AREA HAD BEEN A LONG-TERM
FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICERS AND WAS
HIGHLY THOUGHT OF.
BEING THE OFFICER OF UKRAINE IS
VERY TOUGH, YOU HAVE TO WORK
VERY HARD.
VERY HARD. SHE FELT SHE COULD NOT FOLLOW
THROUGH ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS
TALKING ABOUT.
TALKING ABOUT. YOVANOVITCH.
YOVANOVITCH. >> IF YOU DON’T TELL AL LINE FOR
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES EVEN IF HE WANTS YOU TO
DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL OR EVEN IF
HE WANTS YOU TO DEAL WITH HIS
PRIVATE ATTORNEY, YOU WILL BE AS
THE PRESIDENT SAYS IN THIS PHONE
CALL IN ESSENCE PUNISHED.
>> YOU SAY BEING INVESTOR OF
UKRAINE IS STUFF AND REQUIRES
PROFESSIONALISM.
PROFESSIONALISM. THIS IS A TOUGH NEIGHBORHOOD AS
OUR OWN BILL NEELY DISCOVERED
WHEN HE WAS COVERING AN ONGOING
CONFLICT BACK IN FEBRUARY.
SFOOL
SFOOL >> WATCH.
>> WATCH. >> UKRAINE FIGHTING TO SURVIVE.
ITS TROOPS TAKE US TO THE FRONT
LINE WHERE THEY ARE BATTLING
RUSSIAN SEPARATISTS.
RUSSIAN SEPARATISTS. WE SPRINT ACROSS OPEN GROUND AND
IN TO TRENCH WARFARE AND
EXTRAORDINARY VISION OF WORLD
WAR I IN TODAY’S EUROPE.
A FIVE-YEAR WAR ALMOST FORGOTTEN
BOO I
BOO I BY THE WORLD.
>> THAT EXPLAINS IN PART WHY
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD SO MUCH
LEVERAGE OVER THE NEW LEADER IN
FREEZING THE $400 MILLION IN
WEAPONS THAT CONGRESS APPROVED.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE LEADER WHO WAS ELECTED ON
ANTICORRUPTION PLATFORM AS WELL
ASSAYING HE’LL STAND UP TO
RUSSIA WANTED THE BACKING OF THE
AMERICAN PRESIDENT WITH NOT JUST
WORDS BUT WEAPONS.
SO HE WAS GOING TO CONFRONT
RUSSIA AND HAVE THAT MILITARY
AIDE WITHHELD UNDER
CIRCUMSTANCES OR CLEARLY
CONFUSING TO THE UKRAINE LEADER
WAS VERY DEEP BLOW FOR HIM.
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT HE
SAYS TO THE U.S. PRESIDENT IN