Really if you look at the espionage act, it's not really about taking
the documents, it's about destroying them or hiding them or give him to the enemy.
>> Right. >> It's not about taking them and
putting them in a place that's roughly as safe as they were in the first place.
>> Roughly as safe as they were in in the first place,
that's Rudy Giuliani disgraced lawyer and again,
man who gets paid in Kirkland Whiskey speaking to Newsmax [LAUGH] and
parroting this line that effectively the documents were just as safe.
Now let's just address the first thing that he said though,
the Espionage Act it's not about taking documents, it's about sharing them.
Actually it's not, George Conway on Twitter is sort of fact checking him on
that says, he obviously didn't read the Espionage Act which prohibits willfully
retaining sensitive national defense information.
And failing to deliver it to the officer or
employee of the United States entitled to receive it.
Doesn't stipulate that you have to be doing something with it.
And of course we know that there was a subpoena for
these documents two months Subpoena before the raid.
And before the subpoena, a request I'm assuming.
So he saw this comn,g, they all saw it coming, but it wasn't just Rudy who was
offering that like they were safer at mar -a-Lago defense.
Take a look at this.
Was there a limited number of people who had access to that storage room?
It seems like a pretty important room, right?
Since they've made such a big deal of it and have the lock on it and so forth.
So were there a limited number of people who could go in and out?
Yes, [CROSSTALK] that's certainly Mar-a-Lago, certainly Mar-a-Lago
is secure in and of itself, just getting onto the compound is hard and
then it was a locked door and getting back down into the basement.
There's security, you can't just walk down there,
only certain members of staff can get there and then, there's only one key.
So yes, it's a very limited number of people that have access down there and
it was enough to where president Trump believed,
our team believed that it was secure enough.
They asked for one more lock at another lock which we did.
And then for whatever reason they decided that they still needed to raid the place.
Yeah, there's just one key and it's in a dog's mouth and
it's swinging there and you know like in pirates of the caribbean and
there's a bunch of like dude just like whistling trying to get it over.
That's exactly how I imagine i imagine it nd I feel like it's probably as
safe as that.
That's former Trump lawyer Christina Bobb explaining
that there was only one key, iIt was super safe.
In fact the facility,
the document facility as described by news nation was a quote storage
room often of an interior hallway near the pool with boxes everywhere.
Next to the chlorine and you know the floaties and
all the things that you need by a pool.
So Ellen, what do you make of this?
That like they were safe, God.
>> Gosh, t's such a ridiculous claim that it
almost is a waste of energy to respond to it.
I used to live in a building in New York city that had this these downstairs
storage lockers and everybody had super hardcore padlocks on the storage lockers.
People put like bikes or holiday decorations and stuff.
And in my building in New York somebody broke in with both cutters,
pretty easy, bunch of bikes got stolen, It lt happened over the course
of like an hour when random afternoon like that was ostensibly.
I mean picking locks is something that people do all the time, breaking and
entering is something people do all the time.
>> Who had the key?
Who had the one key?
Okay there was one key who had it, where was it?
I feel like that's important information because if it was in fact tied on the on
the collar of a dog that was susceptible to being bribed with snacks.
That's a different security issue than having it put in like a second safe that
had like a fingerprint lock or something like that.
>> Now it is incredibly vague like if you're going to be specific that this
was better than you know the actual National archives security or
the US government security,
they get specific about what that security is versus what your security is.
Which again is a cartoon police officer blowing a feather up and
down with his snoring as it jangles from his side.
>> But also the National Archives like Laura Ingram,
first of all her questions lack of follow up is comically inept.
I'm sure she knows what the National Archives are like.
There is the case that holds the the constitution or copy or
copy of the Declaration of Independence.
They have a security system where if somebody were to break in
there's like really really super thick glass.
If someone were to break in the documents drop like into a vault,
like I don't think a little storage room by a swimming pool had like that many
layers of glass and some sort of fail safe in case somebody breaks in and.
And Laura Ingraham was just like yeah of course, one key, that's fine, that's fine.
>> All right?
>> It's ridiculous, like clarifying, come on of black Laura, you went to Dartmouth,
come on fall off a turnip truck Laura, you went to Dartmouth come on.
But I think the fact that Fox News host routinely don't kind of tip their hand and
show that they know how the world works is a real reflection of their
low opinion of their viewers.
They really think that their viewers are that uncultured.
>> Well and she asks sort of hard questions like so who had the key or there
was one key and but then she just kind of like furrows her brow and moves along.
I see as I suspected there is no answer.
Okay, just for clarity there there are certain types of documents,
especially the highly sensitive files that were sought at Mar- a-L that require
extremely rigorous security measures.
More than a lock and limited access to certain members of staff.
Some may even require what's known as a sensitive compartmented information
facility or a skiff which I don't know if that's what Aaron's talking.
I don't know if that's where the declaration of independence is,
that's what drops down.
It seems like maybe that's the next level up but again not all these documents
were necessarily classified, they just did not belong at Mar-a-Lago.
And I wanted to give you some context for how secure Mar-a- Lago is.
Let's remember not that secure.
In fact there have been numbers, a number of breaches.
Here's one, late 2019 a Chinese tourist named Liu Jing,
wandered onto Mar-a-Lago to take pictures, she was arrested for trespassing but
it was acquitted on the charge that after her lawyers pointed
out that the club did not have a no trespassing sign.
And that the entrance she accessed wasn't guarded.
Her trial revealed various details about security
at Mar-a-Lago including the location of Sevres Security cameras,
the total size of the club's security staff, 13 guards.
Its apparent lack of a secure perimeter and the fact that staffers maintain daily
list of members and approved guests on digital tablet devices.
So you can imagine you could probably mess with those.
Another happens to be chinese businesswoman yu jing
Zhang entered MAr a Lago from the front saying she was there for
a charity event that she knew had been canceled.
She was convicted of trespassing although no espionage charges were brought against
her despite speculation that she was a foreign agent.
Mike Tyson apparently got into MAr A Lago without identification
although look at him, it's Mike Tyson here's my favorite breach
of security that happened at MAr a Lago.
I'm sure there have been a lot but one of the members, Richard D Gallizio posted
a photo to facebook identifying the trump aide who carries the so
called nuclear football.
The briefcase that serves as a mobile command center from which the president
can launch a nuclear attack.
Here's his facebook post.
You guys remember this and
he's bestowing praise on the guy who carries the football.
Hey this is rick.
The nuclear football also known as the atomic football rick is the man sign.
Do we think mar a Lago is a safe place?
No no.
And also you know you bring up an important point donald trump is so
thirsty to be famous and to hang out around famous people that you could have
probably, I mean if you were a foreign entity that wanted to spy in mar a Lago,
you could just probably pretend to give him some sort of entertainment award.
Like here's Emmy that they meant to give you for the apprentice.
We're sneaking it in.
the Emmy shaped like a like a small video camera.
Don't worry about it.
This is how Emmys look now.
Why would he know when an Emmy lou Like he's never actually won one.
so that would be an easy way for people to to spy on him or have access to him.
It's harder to sneak into the Vanity Fair Oscars party than it is to mar
a Lago that party.
I've read about it.
The only two people that ever snuck into that party, this is random but
one hit in a porta potty for like eight hours, the other brought a pig that they
said was babe and we're like this is the babe pig and then they got let in and
I think that's fantastic.
That's hilarious.
I think they should be allowed to go to every single vanity fair Oscars party as
a result of that.
Meanwhile you could bring like an ostrich into mar a Lago and be like, hey it's
the pig from babe and they'd be like okay looks a little different right in.
Sure you know, camera adds £10 wow you look, you look great pig from babe.
Yeah you know it also is really funny the fact that somebody broke into mar a Lago
and was like, there wasn't a no trespassing sign.
It kind of reminds me of the way that the president and a lot of people in his orbit
try to conduct themselves with like air bud rules.
Like, well, there's no rule that dog can't play basketball,
like, there's no rule that the,
that the state legislators can't overturn the results of the elections.
It's, it's really, really astounding.
I would say air bud level legal analysis there.
Yes, let's make some new laws put up, no trespassing and
don't sell those documents if he already has.
He's definitely do make a rule that dogs aren't allowed to access classified
documents because otherwise that would be the next move.
We would have like a bunch of golden receivers going into mar a Lago sniffing
out nuclear secrets, which o bud swallowed those a long time ago.
No, No, spy bud, bye bud swallowed those.
So he's got him, he's got goggles on, that's how you know, it's safe.