THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS VIEWED AS
CREDIBLE AND RESPECTED.
>> FOR MORE ON WHERE KAVANAUGH’S
NOMINATION STANDS I’M JOINED BY
DEMOCRATIC SENATOR KIRSTEN
GILLIBRAND OF NEW YORK.
WHAT’S YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF
WHERE THINGS ARE AT RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL, I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE’RE
SEEING FROM THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY, AND CERTAINLY THE WHITE
HOUSE IS JUST ATTACK, DENY,
ATTACK, DENY, AND TRY TO SHOVE
THIS THROUGH SO QUICKLY SO THAT
YOU CAN’T ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL
HEARING.
HEARING. OR A PROPER INVESTIGATION.
THE FACT THAT THEY WON’T ALLOW
THE FBI TO INVESTIGATE THESE
CLAIMS IS SHOCKING.
THE FACT THAT THEY DON’T ATTEND
AND CALL CORROBORATING WITNESSES
IS CONCERNING.
IS CONCERNING. THE FACT THEY’RE NOT EVEN GOING
TO ASSESS MS. RAMIREZ’S CLAIMS
IS ALSO UNACCEPTABLE.
SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY’RE JUST
PUSHING THIS THROUGH AT ALL
COSTS.
COSTS. >> THE PRESIDENT TODAY REFERRED
TO THE CLAIM BY MS. RAMIREZ,
THAT SHE WAS DRUNK, THAT SHE WAS
CONFUSED, IS AND THAT ALL OF
THIS IS A "CON JOB IN HIS EYES".
>>> I HOPE AMERICAN WOMEN ARE
PAYING ATTENTION.
PAYING ATTENTION. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SHOWN IN
WORDS AND DEED THAT HE DOESN’T
VALUE WOMEN.
VALUE WOMEN. HE’S ATTACKING SOMEONE WHO’S
COME FORWARD, A SURVIVOR.
THEY WONDER WHY SURVIVORS DON’T
COME FORWARD, IT’S EXACTLY THIS
REASON, BECAUSE THEY’RE TREATED
SO POORLY, BY THE COMMANDER IN
CHIEF.
CHIEF. SHE’S BEING BERATED, ACCUSED OF
LYING, DISPARAGED PUBLICLY BY
THIS PRESIDENT.
THIS PRESIDENT. IT’S DISGRACEFUL.
IT’S DISGRACEFUL. I HOPE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND
WOMEN ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY
ARE PAYING ATTENTION SO THEY CAN
CALL SENATORS AND URGE THEM TO
VOTE NO ON KAVANAUGH.
CLEARLY HE DOESN’T HAVE THE
CHARACTER OR HONESTY TO BE A
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.
>> DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICANS
OR -- HAVE THEY CONVINCED
THEMSELVES THIS IS A CONSPIRACY,
A GRAND PLOT THAT YOU AND YOUR
COLLEAGUES ON THE DEMOCRATIC
SIDE HAVE COOKED UP TO SABOTAGE
KAVANAUGH.
KAVANAUGH. >> I CAN’T GET INTO THE MINDS OF
THE REPUBLICANS.
THE REPUBLICANS. BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY’VE
DONE IS UNCONSCIONABLE.
THEY’RE NOT EVEN GIVING THE
BASIC PROCESS THAT THEY GAVE TO
ANITA HILL, TO NOT EVEN HAVE THE
FBI INVESTIGATION, TO MAKE IT
IMPOSSIBLE TO CALL CORROBORATING
WITNESSES WHO HAVE RELEVANT
INFORMATION TO OFFER, I THINK,
IS REALLY DISCONCERTING.
BUT I THINK IF AMERICA’S PUBLIC
DOES SPEAK OUT WE HAVE A CHANCE
OF DEFEATING THIS NOMINEE ON THE
MERITS.
MERITS. >> YOU DON’T THINK IT’S A DONE
DEAL?
DEAL? YOU THINK IT’S AN OPEN QUESTION
AS TO WHETHER THE VOTES ARE
THERE AND WHETHER THIS WILL
HAPPEN OR NOT?
>> I BELIEVE IT’S AN OPEN
QUESTION.
QUESTION. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY
ON THIS, AND REALLY TALK ABOUT
THEIR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES,
AND HOW THEY SEE THIS UNFOLDING
AND HOW OFFENDED THEY ARE BY THE
PRESIDENT’S REMARKS AND OFFENDED
THEY ARE BY THIS PROCESS, I
THINK THEY CAN CHANGE VOTES OF
SENATORS TODAY.
SENATORS TODAY. IT’S A MOMENT WHEN AMERICA’S
WOMEN NEED TO BE HEARD AND THAT
AMERICANS WHO CARE ABOUT JUSTICE
NEED TO BE HEARD.
>> LET ME ASK YOU, THERE’S BEEN
A STRANGE LINE I THINK
REPUBLICANS HAVE TRIED TO WALK
HERE, CLEARLY THEY’VE BEEN
COUNSELLED NOT TO TRY TO NOT
DISPARAGE OR ATTACK THE ACCUSERS
AND HAVE AN OPEN MIND, BUT A LOT
OF THEM JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD
AND VOTE ANYWAY.
I WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION TO
SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE’VE HEARD
SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES AND ALSO
FROM KEVIN CRAMER, TRYING TO BE
ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES RUNNING
IN NORTH DAKOTA FOR THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
REPUBLICAN PARTY. TAKE A LISTEN.
>> SO YOU THINK THESE WOMEN ARE
MAKING IT UP?
>> THEY HAD A LITTLE HELP, I
HAVE A FEELING.
>> ACCUSATIONS ARE BEING MADE
ABOUT THINGS THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN,
AND I THINK IT’S VERY
UNFORTUNATE.
UNFORTUNATE. >> IF THE ACCUSATION IS ENOUGH,
GOD HELP US ALL AROUND HERE.
I WILL RESPECTFULLY LISTEN.
BUT IF THERE’S NOTHING NEW HERE,
I AM NOT GOING TO DENY HIM A
PROMOTION TO THE SUPREME COURT
BASED ON A 35-YEAR-OLD
ACCUSATION.
ACCUSATION. >> EVEN IF IT’S ALL TRUE, DOES
IT DISQUALIFY HIM?
CERTAINLY IT MEANS HE DID
SOMETHING REALLY BAD 36 YEARS
AGO.
AGO. BUT DOES IT DISQUALIFY HIM FROM
THE SUPREME COURT?
>> START WITH THAT LAST
QUESTION.
QUESTION. WHAT’S YOUR ANSWER?
>> THE FACT THAT THIS CANDIDATE,
FOR SENATE, DOESN’T BELIEVE THAT
SOMEONE WHO ASSAULTS A YOUNG
WOMAN, WHO’S A MINOR, 15 YEARS
OLD, ASSAULTS HER, COVERS HER
MOUTH WHEN SHE TRIES TO SCREAM,
AND THAT STORY’S BEING
CORROBORATED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE
HEARD THIS STORY BEFORE, THE
FACT THAT SHE TOLD HER THERAPIST
FIVE YEARS AGO, THE FACT THAT
SHE TOLD HER HUSBAND FIVE YEARS
AGO, A FRIEND A YEAR AGO, THE
FACT THAT SHE’S TAKEN A LIE
DETECTOR, ASKING THE FBI TO
INVESTIGATE, THOSE ARE ALL
INDICIA OF TRUTH.
THE FACT HE SAYS THAT EVEN IF
IT’S TRUE THAT IT IS NOT GROUNDS
TO DISQUALIFY HIM, I DON’T KNOW
WHAT PLANET HE’S LIVING ON.
THAT’S A VIOLENT CRIME.
HE SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL IF HE
WAS ALLOWED TO BE PROSECUTED
TODAY.
TODAY. IT’S NOT OKAY.
AND SO I THINK THE FACT THAT SO
MANY PEOPLE, SO MANY REPUBLICANS
AND MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING OH,
IT’S JUST AN ALLEGATION, WELL,
IT’S NOT JUST AN ALLEGATION.
YOU ASSESS THEIR CREDIBILITY.
THAT’S THEIR JOB AS SENATORS.
THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO ASSESS THE
CREDIBILITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
COMING FORWARD TO SAY I DON’T
THINK THIS PERSON’S TRUST
WORTHY.
WORTHY. I DON’T THINK THIS PERSON’S
TELLING THE TRUTH.
THEY’VE LIED UNDER OATH ABOUT
THEIR PAST AND THEN TO ROLL OUT
A FOX NEWS INTERVIEW AS IF IT’S
AN FBI INVESTIGATION.
A FOX NEWS INTERVIEW IS NOT AN
FBI INVESTIGATION.
FBI INVESTIGATION. THEY DIDN’T EVEN ASK ALL THE
RELEVANT QUESTIONS.
RELEVANT QUESTIONS. AND THE FACT THAT HE DOWNPLAYED
HIS DRINKING WHILE HIS BEST
FRIEND WROTE A WHOLE BOOK ABOUT
THEIR DRUNKEN BEHAVIOR, THE FACT
THAT HIS COLLEGE ROOMMATE SAID
THAT HE WOULD COME HOME DRUNKEN
AND WOULD COME HOME BELLIGERENT,
THE FACT THAT HE SAID ABOUT MS.
RAMIREZ, AGAIN BRETT KAVANAUGH’S
COLLEGE ROOMMATE SAID I BELIEVE
HER BECAUSE SHE HAS THE KIND OF
PERSONALITY, SHE WAS KIND AND
THOUGHTFUL, HE COULDN’T IMAGINE
HER MAKING THIS UP.
THAT’S CALLED CORROBORATING
EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE. IT’S THINGS YOU HEAR AND LISTEN
TO, AND THEN ASSESS.
WHO DO I BELIEVE?
THAT’S YOUR JOB.
THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW.
WE ARE NOT PROVING BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT.
REASONABLE DOUBT. NO ONE’S GOING TO JAIL.
THIS IS ABOUT, DO YOU DESERVE
THE PROMOTION?
THE PROMOTION? DO YOU DESERVE THIS JOB
OPPORTUNITY TO BE A SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE?
COURT JUSTICE? TO HAVE A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT,
TO MAKE FUNDAMENTAL DECISIONS
ABOUT WOMEN’S RIGHTS FOR PERHAPS
DECADES TO COME, DO YOU HAVE THE
PRIVILEGE TO SERVE?
NOT WHETHER YOU’RE GOING TO BE
CONVICTED IN LAW.
EVERY TIME YOU HEAR ON FOX NEWS,
ASSUME YOU’RE INNOCENT, YOU HAVE
TO HAVE PROOF BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT, THEY’RE TRYING
TO CONFUSE VOTERS.
THEY’RE TRYING TO CONFUSE PEOPLE
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
THAT’S WHAT -- THAT IS NOT WHAT
THIS IS ABOUT.
THIS IS ABOUT, DO YOU BELIEVE
HE’S HONEST?
HE’S HONEST? DO YOU BELIEVE HE HAS THE
CHARACTER TO HAVE A LIFETIME
APPOINTMENT?
APPOINTMENT? DO YOU THINK HIS STORY ISN’T
ADDING UP?
ADDING UP? AND BASED ON HEARING FROM THESE
TWO WOMEN, STRONG, CREDIBLE
WOMEN AND THEIR STORIES AND ALL
THE CORROBORATING EVIDENCE, I