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>>> SUSAN COLLINS AFTER A COURSE OF CRITICISM CONTINUED TO DEFEND
HER DECISION TO SUPPORT BRETT
KAVANAUGH ON 60 MINUTES.
>> I BELIEVED THAT A SEXUAL
ASSAULT HAD HAPPENED TO HER.
WHAT I THINK SHE’S MISTAKEN
ABOUT IS WHO THE PERPETRATOR
WAS.
WAS. I DO NOT BELIEVE HER ASSAILANT
WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH.
>> THAT’S DESPITE DR. FORD
DISPELLING THE IDEA OF MISTAKEN
IDENTITY WHEN SHE TESTIFIED.
>> DR. FORD, WITH WHAT DEGREE OF
CERTAINTY DO YOU BELIEVE BRETT
KAVANAUGH ASSAULTED YOU?
>> 100%.
>> 100%. >> WE HAVE THE FOUNDER OF THE ME
TOO MOVEMENT.
TOO MOVEMENT. ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU.
THANKS FOR COMING IN.
LET’S START WITH SUSAN COLLINS.
WERE YOU SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT
FROM A REPUBLICAN SENATOR WHO IS
A FEMALE?
A FEMALE? >> I’M SURPRISED TO HEAR IT FROM
ANYBODY WHO LISTENED TO DR.
BLASEY FORD TESTIFY LAST WEEK.
I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT SHE WOULD
SAY THAT SHE’S MISTAKEN ABOUT
HER ASSAY LENT.
THAT’S THE ONE THING THAT WE ARE
AS SURVIVORS, NEVER REALLY
MISTAKEN BY.
MISTAKEN BY. WHEN WE LOOK THEM IN THEIR FACE.
>> I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON
SOMETHING WHILE YOU’RE HEAR.
IT’S BEEN ONE YEAR SINCE #METOO
GAINED NATIONAL ATTENTION.
THIS IDEA THAT THE BRETT
KAVANAUGH CONFIRMATION IS A
SETBACK.
SETBACK. DO YOU SEE IT AS A SETBACK OR
STEPPINGSTONE OR DO YOU SEE IT
AS BEING UNRELATED?
>> IT’S RELATED.
I DON’T SEE IT AS A SETBACK.
PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
MOVEMENTS ARE.
MOVEMENTS ARE. RIGHT?
RIGHT? THIS IS A LONG FIGHT.
SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS PERVASIVE AND
THE DEPTH AND BREADTH OF WHAT IS
DONE IN THIS COUNTRY, WE HAVE
NOT EVEN BEGUN TO UNPACK.
HIM BEING CONFIRMED IS
UNFORTUNATE, AND FOR THOSE OF US
FIGHTING TO STOP THE
CONFIRMATION, IT’S NOT A WIN.
BUT FOR THE MOVEMENT, SURVIVORS
HAVE BEEN GALVANIZED AND THOSE
WHO SUPPORT US AND ALLIES HAVE
BEEN GALVANIZED AROUND THE
COUNTRY AROUND THIS ISSUE.
I THINK IT HAS GIVEN US AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THAT
SURVIVORS ARE MORE THAN JUST A
GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE PITIED.
WE ARE A POWER BASE.
>> DO YOU THINK HIS CONFIRMATION
MAKES IT LESS LIKELY THAT
ASSAULT VICTIMS ARE L SPEAK OUT?
>> NO.
>> NO. I THINK THAT DR. BLASEY FORD
COMING FORTH IN A WAY SHE DID SO
COURAGEOUS AND JUST SO HONEST IN
HER TESTIMONY WILL HELP PEOPLE
TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE OUTCOME
MAY NOT ALWAYS BE WHAT YOU WANT,
BUT THERE IS STILL POWER IN
COMING FORWARD AND GIVING VOICE
TO YOUR ACCUSATIONS.
>> NORTH DAKOTA REPUBLICAN
SENATE CANDIDATES, A GUY NAMED
KEVIN KRAMER.
KEVIN KRAMER. RIGHT NOW HE’S LEADING BY AT
LAST CHECK ABOUT 12 POINTS.
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ME TOO
MOVEMENT IN THE NEW YORK TIMES.
HE SAID IN PART, INVOKING HIS
WIFE, DAUGHTERS, MOTHER AND
MOTHER-IN-LAW, MR. KRAMER SAID
THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS
MOVEMENT TOWARD VICTIMIZATION.
THEY ARE PIONEERS OF THE PRAY
RI.
RI. THESE ARE TOUGH PEOPLE WHOSE
GRANDPARENTS WERE TOUGH AND
GREAT GRANDPARENTS WERE TOUGH.
DO YOU THINK THE ME TOO
MOVEMENT, DOES IT RESONATE THE
SAME IN MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS
LIKE NEW YORK CITY, LIKE
CHICAGO, LIKE BOSTON?
DOES IT RESONATE THE SAME WAY IN
PLACES LIKE THAT AS IT DOES IN
OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY?
IS THERE SOME SORT OF GEOGRAPHIC
DIVIDE?
DIVIDE? >> I CAN’T IMAGINE THERE’S A
GEOGRAPHIC DIVIDE.
GEOGRAPHIC DIVIDE. THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE’S PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIPS TO SEXUAL
VIOLENCE.
VIOLENCE. THIS IS ONE MAN SPEAKING ABOUT
THE GEOGRAPHY THAT HE COVERS OR
THE PEOPLE IN HIS COMMUNITY.
BUT I’D LIKE TO TALK TO THE
MOTHERS AND THE SISTERS AND THE
WOMEN IN THAT COMMUNITY AND SEE
IF THEY SAY THE SAME THING.
THERE’S NOT VICTIMIZATION.
THIS IS A MOVEMENT TOWARD
SURVIVORSHIP.
SURVIVORSHIP. WE’RE NOT TURNING PEOPLE INTO
VICTIMS.
VICTIMS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ONCE MAY
HAVE FELT LIKE VICTIMS WHO SEE
THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
AROUND JUST LIKE THEM, AND WE
STAND TOGETHER AS SURVIVORS.
THERE’S NO TURNING PEOPLE INTO
VICTIMS HERE.
VICTIMS HERE. >> YOU WROTE A PIECE RECENTLY
FOR VARIETY WHERE YOU TALKED
ABOUT -- SOMETHING WE TALKED
ABOUT AS WELL, PERHAPS MORE OFF
CAMERA THAN ON.
BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO
SHIFT THE FOCUS OF THE MOVEMENT
AWAY FROM HOLLYWOOD AND THE
ACCUSED.
ACCUSED. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS FOCUS ON
HOLLYWOOD AND FAMOUS PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN ACCUSED, DO YOU
BELIEVE IT’S HURT THE MOVEMENT?
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT MAY HAVE
HURT PROFESSOR FORD TO A CERTAIN
EXTENT?
EXTENT? >> I THINK IT HAS BEEN A SETBACK
FOR THE MOVEMENT.
SO MANY PEOPLE -- LIKE, THE FACT
THAT ME TOO IS A THING IS
BECAUSE EVERYDAY PEOPLE USE THE
HASH TAG.
HASH TAG. IF THIS WAS REALLY ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED TO HARVEY WEINSTEIN,
WE’D BE CALLING THIS THE RONAN
FERRELL EFFECT.
FERRELL EFFECT. BUT THIS IS MORE THAN THAT.
WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED WITH
HARVEY WEINSTEIN, AND THEN
EVERYDAY PEOPLE WERE MOVED TO
SAY YOU KNOW WHAT?
THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME TOO.
WHAT’S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST
YEAR IS THAT MAJOR MEDIA OUTLETS
HAVEN’T FOCUSSED ON THE PEOPLE
WHO HAVE SAID ME TOO.
THERE’S BEEN SO MUCH FOCUS ON
INDIVIDUAL BAD ACTORS AN
INDIVIDUALS IN HOLLYWOOD THAT
EVERYDAY PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES HAVE
BEEN OPENED UP HAVE NO RECOURSE
AND HAVE NO RESOURCES.
AND WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THE
STORIES OF THESE BIG LARGE
FIGURES.
FIGURES. WE’RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT
THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE, OR THE
SYSTEMS OF POWER AND PRIVILEGE
THAT ALLOWS SEXUAL VIOLENCE TO
HAPPEN IN THEIR LIVES.
>> WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
DO YOU THINK IT’S JOURNALISTS
BEING ATTRACTED TO THE SHINY
OBJECT?
OBJECT? >> I DO.
>> I DO. >> OR BEING LAZY?
>> WELL, NOW, THAT’S YOUR WORDS.
I’M NOT CALLING ALL JOURNALISTS
LAZY.
LAZY. BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT
THERE IS A CYCLE OF HOW WE LOVE
SALACIOUS GOSSIPY HEADLINE.
WE LOVE CELEBRITY AND THINGS
THAT MAKE BIG HEADLINES.
THIS IS MY THING.
AS A HUMAN BEING IF YOU SAW A
HASH TAG AFFECTED 12 MILLION
PEOPLE IN 24 HOURS, THAT’S THE
REALITY.
REALITY. 12 MILLION PEOPLE ENGAGED WITH
THIS HASH TAG IN 24 HOURS AFTER
IT WENT VIRAL ON JUST FACEBOOK
ALONE.
ALONE. WHERE ARE THE HEADLINES THAT SAY
HOW HAS SEXUAL VIOLENCE AFFECTED
OUR COUNTRY?
OUR COUNTRY? WHAT’S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY
THAT SO MANY PEOPLE’S LIVES HAVE