- Hey, everyone. It's Pastor Cal.
Here's the jab.
[glass shatters] - Cheers, baby!
- And Dr. Pepper.
Let's talk about sex.
- [laughs]
- You are, from this moment, engaged.
- I think I'm tearing up.
- This is "Married At First Sight:
Relationship Rewind."
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Each week, Dr. Pepper and I watch a clip
from the latest episode of "Married At First Sight,"
and we're gonna give you our honest, no-BS reaction.
- This will be the very first time
we've seen this footage,
and we're going to be looking at a tense meeting
that Kirsten and Shaquille had with Dr. Pia
when Kirsten questioned Shaq's masculinity.
- Have you all talked much about what attracts you
to one another?
- No.
But I find him attractive when he's like...
For example, when we had to get our clothes and move,
like, him moving boxes.
- What was it about the act of moving boxes
that you found attractive?
- It was just him being masculine.
- Masculine. - Maybe--
let's stop that for a second.
She's very conservative. - Yeah.
- But it's just a little odd for the first thing
she thinks of. - Yeah, I know.
That's the thing that concerns me.
That's the first thing she thought of.
I think this shows how traditional
she actually is... - Right, right.
- And what she thinks a man's role is.
- Yeah. - You know, that him moving
box is showing his masculinity.
There are so many other ways that--well, you know.
- Well, let's see. Let's see more.
- Yeah. [laughs] - Honestly,
just getting the job done,
like, just making for sure he's talking care of business.
- Do you think he's masculine?
- Um...
- Too long.
That is too long a pause.
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He is. - Okay, stop.
- Yeah. - Oh, God.
- Oh. [laughs] - That's horrible!
And then even her response wasn't confident.
- She's not taking into account
how her response will feel to him...
- Right. - And that should be
her first thought. - Yeah.
The fact that your masculinity is questioned
will automatically cause you to put up a guard
or to sort of over-masculinize yourself,
you know, to prove her wrong.
So let's see if he'll be able to open up after this.
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- He is.
- There was a long pause.
- Thank you, Pia. Thank you.
- I guess because-- I don't know.
Like, my dad-- he's very masculine.
Like, he's very hands-on,
tough man, provider, business owner.
- Like, I feel like you accentuated
the word "tough" when you were describing your dad.
Do you feel like Shaquille is tough?
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- I feel like he can be.
I haven't really gotten to see that tough side of him
just yet, so...
- What side do you feel like you have seen?
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- The kind, genuine... pleasing side of him.
- Oh, that's nice. - Can that be masculine?
- Hold it right there.
I love the fact that Pia
is pressing her.
And I don't think Kirsten has a real idea
of what a man looks like,
you know, in today's setting.
- I think the definition of masculinity has,
at least for a certain sector of the population, changed.
I think men were trapped in what we now call
toxic masculinity. - Yeah.
You're absolutely right.
And I'm so glad that we have evolved.
But I don't know if her philosophy has evolved.
- I think you're right. I think she has
kind of a caricature of masculinity.
- Yeah. Let's see what happens here.
- So, Shaquille, I appreciate you, like, being quiet
and listening to her. - Yes.
- Wait. - But I also wanna know,
what's your reaction to hearing all of this?
- Yeah. - Um...
do you not think I'm tough? Do you not think I'm, like,
this person, you know?
- Mm-hmm. - Does something have to happen
for you to even feel that?
- Mm-hmm. - Like, do somebody
have to rob us at a gas station, or...
- God forbid. - Try to jack your car,
or something for me to have to stand up,
or your food not right at a restaurant
for me to, you know, just get mad?
- Good answer. - I'm not the person
to get, like, frustrated and mad,
but I think she wants to mimic her dad
in the ways, you know, of being...
- Yeah. - You know, masculine.
- Stop right there. Yeah.
I love his response. - Yeah.
- You know, he stayed with his arm around her,
you know, and listening and absorbing
and came to his own conclusion.
- I agree. He's not reactive.
He's not punishing her for what she said.
And when will women understand
that their father should not be their model?
As parents, we don't sit there and talk to our kids
like we're their peers,
and if you take that and place it on a partner,
it doesn't work. - No, it does not.
Let's see what happens here.
- Like, being a man.
- Did he get that right,
that you're wanting your husband
to be like your dad?
- Not necessarily like my dad,
but maybe have some of those same traits in common.
- For me, it's a thing, like, do you not see me trying?
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I just been feeling like, since day one,
I've just been having to prove myself.
- Wow. - As a husband, as a man,
as her spouse,
like, I just consistently feel
like I've been having to prove myself,
and it always is a lot.
- That's--yeah, hold it. - Well, that's--we can stop.
- [sighs] That's a lot of weight to carry.
- Yeah, it is.
- You know, I don't see her
really giving him the kind of emotional support
that he needs to be what she wants.
- And if there's fantasy visions
of what a man is,
then it's her job to just get rid of them.
- Exactly. - You know?
And then his job to just be his authentic self
and just go forward with that.
- Absolutely, 'cause his authentic self
is enough.
- It is. - It is enough.
Well, that's all the time we have
for "Relationship Rewind."
- We'll see you next time.
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- ♪ No holding back ♪