OLD GROOVE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE
THE CAMPAIGN WHILE THE PRESIDENT
IS RECOVERING FROM COVID.
>> JOE, HOW FAR AWAY WAS VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN DURING THE
DEBATE.
THEY HAD FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE
AUDIENCE NOT WEARING MASKS AND
THE TWO MEN WERE SHOUTING AT
EACH OTHER, OR TRUMP WAS
SHOUTING A LOT.
AND CHRIS WALLACE WAS SHOUTING A
LOT.
HOW FAR AWAY?
I KNOW IT WAS CLEVELAND CLINIC
AND THEY WERE WORKING VERY HARD
TO MAKE IT A SAFE EVENT, BUT YOU
GOT TO WONDER AT THIS POINT.
PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF
THERE, HOW THEY GOT IN.
HOW SAFE THESE MEN ARE AT THIS
POINT? >> OBVIOUSLY, BOTH OF THESE MEN
>> OBVIOUSLY, BOTH OF THESE MEN
ARE IN THEIR MID 70s.
I WANTED TO GO TO JON MEACHAM,
BUT I’M GOING TO HOLD OFF FOR A
SECOND TO TRY TO GET A AN ANSWER
TO YOUR QUESTION, MIKA, BECAUSE
AGAIN THERE WAS A DISTANCE
BETWEEN THE TWO PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATES.
I’M THINKING, HOPING IF I WERE
PUTTING ON A DEBATE, I WOULD
MAKE SURE THERE WOULD BE GREAT
VENTILATION LIKE YOU HAVE ON A
LOT OF COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS TO
MAKE SURE THE VENTILATION WAS
MOVING AIR THROUGH THERE IN A
WAY THAT WAS SAFE FOR BOTH
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN.
MY CONCERN AND OBVIOUSLY THE
CLEVELAND CLINIC, ONE OF THE
PREMIER MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS ON
THE PLANET, OBVIOUSLY WERE
CONSULTED, WHICH BRINGS ME TO
THE NEXT QUESTION BEFORE WE GET
TO JOHNN.
I WANT TO BRING DR. GUPTA IN,
DR. DAVE BACK IN.
DR. GUPTA, MY BIGGEST CONCERN
ABOUT THE DEBATE ARE THE REPORTS
WE HEARD FROM THE A.P.’S
JONATHAN LEMIRE THAT THERE WERE
MEMBERS TRAVELING WITH HOPE
HICKS ON A HELICOPTER AND THEN
ON AIR FORCE ONE WHO WHEN THEY
WERE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE
WERE NOT WEARING MASKS EVEN
THOUGH THEY WERE REQUIRED TO
WEAR MASKS AND I BELIEVE
JONATHAN LEMIRE SAID WERE EVEN
ASKED, AFTER SITTING DOWN
WITHOUT MASKS TO PUT THOSE MASKS
ON.
THAT WOULD BE PEOPLE SITTING
INSIDE, IN A CONTAINED AREA, FOR
OVER 90 MINUTES WITHOUT MASKS.
TALK ABOUT THE MEDICAL -- THE
POSSIBLE MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF
THAT AND THE RISK FACTOR FOR ALL
THOSE SITTING AROUND THEM.
>> THERE’S THE VIDEO.
>> DR. GUPTA?
>> JOE, YOU BET.
VITALLY IMPORTANT HERE IS WHAT
YOU JUST MENTIONED.
NO AMOUNT OF VENTILATION IS GOOD
ENOUGH IN AN INDOOR SETTING TO
MITIGATE RISK OF TRANSMISSION.
WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THE RISK
OF TRANSMISSION, BECAUSE WE KNOW
COVID-19 IS LIKELY AN AIRBORNE
TRANSMITTED DISEASE IN PART.
IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU’RE 20
OR 30 FEET AWAY YOU’RE GOING TO
GET EXPOSED TO THE PARTICLES,
PARTICULARLY WITH THE WAY THE
PRESIDENT WAS BEHAVING AND
TALKING.
THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS, THE FACT
THAT MANY IN THE TRUMP FAMILY
WERE NOT WEARING MASKS
NECESSITATES THEY MUST UNDERGO A
14 DAY QUARANTINE.
THEY CANNOT ASSUME A TEST,
PARTICULARLY THE TEST THEY HAVE
AT THE WHITE HOUSE IS
SUFFICIENT.
EVEN IF THEY GET A NEGATIVE LAB
BASED TEST THEY NEED THE 14 DAY
POLICY.
THE CHANCES OF AN INDOOR
TRANSMISSION IS 19 TIMES HIGHER
THAN IF THE DEBATE HAPPENED
OUTSIDE.
THIS IS WHY UNDERSTANDING THE
SERIES OF EVENTS HERE, IF HOPE
HICKS WAS SYMPTOMATIC WEDNESDAY
MORNING SHE WAS LIKELY
PRESYMPTOMATIC AND INFECTED
TUESDAY NIGHT.
MEANING SHE COULD HAVE BEEN
INFECTIOUS THEN TO THOSE AROUND
HER.
SO WAS THE PRESIDENT EXPOSEDING,
DOES THAT MEAN THE VICE
PRESIDENT WAS EXPOSED AS WELL
AND POTENTIALLY COULD THIS BE
CAUSING A CASCADING EVENT.
IT’S VITAL EVERYONE IS
QUARANTINED AND TESTED.
>> DR. DAVE I ASK YOU THE SAME
QUESTIONS AS WE SEE IMAGES OF
THE TRUMP FAMILY SITTING INSIDE
AFTER BEING EXPOSED TO SOMEBODY
WHO MAY WELL HAVE HAD COVID.
HOW DANGEROUS IS THIS FOR THEM
AND FOR THOSE AROUND THEM.
>> INSIDE WITH AIR CONDITIONING
YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE
DIRECTION OF THE AIR FLOW IN
ADDITION TO JUST BEING IN A
CLOSED INDOOR SPACE.
WE DON’T KNOW IN THAT CONFERENCE
ROOM AT THE CLEVELAND CLINIC
WHICH WAY THE AIR WAS BLOWING.
IT WAS NOT FILTERED AIR.
IT’S NOT AN OPERATING ROOM WHERE
YOU BLOW FILTERED AIR IN THE
DIRECTION YOU WANT IT TO
MITIGATE THE RISK OF INFECTION.
IT WAS AN OPEN CONFERENCE ROOM
WITH CEILINGS AND WALLS AND AIR
CONDITIONING THAT WAS BLOWING
PAST THE PRESIDENT OR TOWARD HIM
OR PAST THE FAMILY MEMBERS IN
THE AUDIENCE OR TOWARD HIM.
SO EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM IS AT
RISK, 19 TIMES HIGHER RISK AS
DR. GUPTA POINTED OUT.
SO THERE IS NO PERSON WHO TOOK
PART IN THE DEBATE THAT SHOULD
NOT SELF-QUARANTINE, GET TESTED
AND PLAN FOR THE WORST WHILE
PERHAPS HOPING FOR THE BEST.
>> YEAH, AGAIN, HOPING FOR THE
BEST.
AS YOU SAID IN YOUR SITUATION,
EVEN THOUGH YOU’RE OVER 60 FOR
YOU YOUR SYMPTOMS WERE MILD.
LET’S CERTAINLY HOPE FOR