Patrick in Saint Charles Illinois it's as you disagree with me see you go to
the top of the line what's up what are you disagreeing about
a good afternoon aren't
disagree but not so much jus a
well yes disagreement time but from I'm talking about your statement
that Bush is spending evidently president bush
hours a day in a a shower or bath
washing the no I didn't say that I said his pain is painted to pay teens
himself to self portrait one in the shower I've
and one in the bathtub seen them yet yeah and and I and i was sayin that
but I think he's doing well go ahead go ahead why I was saying I think that he's
he is those were his only supporters are no self orchards have him walking
through fields are
sit in a chair anything else I think and I think he's
you know the at some deep level are concerned about washing the blood of a
chance
now as you've said this on a number of occasions
yes up and sister luxury I were to agree with you which
I totally disagree but K in the gallery
I'll those would be washing blood from and just
you have to love your your most favorite
that would be way way ahead of bush starting with FTR
and the de boxeo love of course
pearl harbor when there's a substantial
a historic study that she knew that was coming
well as a ranch and then secondly
arm to you are of the opinion that we should not have gotten into World War
two
no I'm I'm of the opinion she needed and we know this from fact
she needed the American people to rally behind him so he could go to war
FDR wanted to go to war he wanted to assist churchill in the
eastern parts theater and he had concerns for the Japanese
right and there is a a
large body of work historic body of work
that supports the notion she knew
the Pearl Harbor was good Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked
yeah there's also there's also a a fair number of scholars who suggest that they
simply lost track at the Nov the Northern Fleet
and well an- that'll you know that may
that may work but pain but whether or not you know you I i will. I would not
equate
FDR even even if FDR at forget about whether he knew
Pearl Harbor was going to happen he provoked Pearl Harbor by cutting off the
oil supply
at the Straits of Malacca when he barricaded the Straits of Malacca so
that the Japanese could no longer important oil from the Middle East
he provoked a response whether it was in Pearl Harbor anywhere else
I think he knew that he was going to provoke a response so
I'll give you that but that sadness which
that's sad I don't think that FDR fight in World War two
regardless the brought provocation that was used to get us into it
I don't think that you can equate that with george bush going into a wreck
well I hear I from a numbers standpoint
a a much different situation talk about the war
the morality other there's no reason for us to go into Iraq and we have left
their country far worse than we found it
and there was a very good reason for us to go into europe Dr
Andrea and we left europe in better shape than when when we well
we know we damage a pretty girl FBI was a piker
Robert are Robert
John F Kennedy and Lyndon Baines Johnson
are the stalinist I'll
the history of this country a demo vietnam
leading leading the nation I have to be one of them
58,000 Americans killed another half a million wounded
and two million vietnamese
died in that war yeah I'll give you that although I would not and
I would not include Kennedy in that out Johnson made the decision to escalate
but he kicked off
it a kennedy but the advisors in there yes on
can it but but it was Johnson turned it into a war
with the phony golfer Chongqing resolution any deserves to be condemned
for that work and it was richard nixon
who extended by in 1968 after LBJ had negotiated peace with the vietnamese
it was richard nixon who extended that at that point there is only about twenty
thousand americans
it was richard nixon who in 1968 who went to the Vietnamese the South
Vietnamese
and said do not go along with this peace deal
that LBJ has worked out with you LHP Jake worked
she quit as president I will not accept
nor will I could go on chic way out as a
a a commander in chief his party told him to
and another million-man but but over but putting Patrick listeners
listeners in 1968 LBJ knew that his brand was so tired there was no way he
could run for reelection because a vietnam
and he and he felt horrible I Vietnam in fact I've got a clip
I love but I should I'm gonna find this clip I don't I don't think chain has
this
this this absolutely incredible clip up
avail BJP
utter my computer taken for ever on but in the injustice a buddy I
all find this floor plan this this this is
LBJ had negotiated peace between North and South Vietnam
in September in August a 1968
and I know when you were in vietnam but it was after 68 in from $6.67
271 ok eight then you were there after 68 you need to hear this tape
he had negotiated peace it was going to be announced
in September which of course would ensure the hubert humphrey would win the
election
hundred-person X nixon's people found out about this
and his campaign manager is operating on New Mexico contacted madame to
in the Vietnamese embassy and said don't go to Paris don't go along with the
peace talks will make you personally multi-millionaires
and will give you a better deal lyndon johnson
heard the tapes so this they were brought to him by the CIA
any call up the senior Republican in the US senate ever dirksen
one the most high integrity people in the history in my lifetime in politics
republican call it ever dirksen and had this conversation with him on the
telephone
this was just released by the LBJ Library three years ago I don't know why
it was on the front page the Wall Street Journal the fry in the New York Times
listen to this your girl right there greatest care information I got
the agency there said their shoes yes great just talk to her about her new
mexico
cock pat me share too much power out guest star on terror after erection
going all 428 saying a car Matt Prior
yeah were pretty well and carmel moore play havoc
back I'm reading and never got on track to get this and the campaign
Greg than they are to be done SSS crazed
Cardinal so I would add richard nixon to your list
richard nixon and Mark more specifically
henry kissinger ended that war not where's
no jury 4.2 or
low jury for jerry ford was present when the route when the war ended
well he was president won the war and it but jerry ford
got nixon extended the war at the war
extended the war because he blew up the peace negotiation is at war
and you know that time and I know that IBMPC
a from the standpoint of negotiating it from the standpoint of meeting with the
principal share
henry kissinger is responsible for it
finally being 0 I will see results
that this was a result yeah stop hang out
at you know I can't put on hold but I'm tired
at actually I'm gonna I am going to put General Patrick arm just
CP girls Ella play club here actually I'll do it when I come back from a break
from
from the National by Patrick thanks for the coffee at home plate is but again
the LBJ Library just released the stuff a couple years ago and so
you know most most people never heard these before but this is public domain
stuff it's from lyndon johnson library LBJ Library
and I these are from 1964 May 27
1964 three telephone conversations LBJ had
now keep in mind the Vietnam War was just
getting go on I mean it was just getting going I'm not sure when the Gulf to
Tonkin Resolution was it had to go back and look but
listen to these these each one is less than a minute
these three conversations is with adlai stevenson mcgeorge bundy and senator
richard russell
a Stevenson and bundy I think george bundy was his secretary of
state maybe I'm not sure and adlai stevenson
I'm not sure what he was at that point he was he had been a candidate for
president number times
he I in indicates here's here's the conversations with
LBJ about vietnam the way over there
that the fire you pay packet bada part where the group
get put in britain at the Palm
compare alright by I won't do it I shudder
do it Google Play Ball better about the fact that the only alternative
well I've been nothin on that thing for three years I i'm afraid we're gonna be
there
how are you don't have any alternative hello an alternative blood
very good me they hate him but I I don't know I'm but he was gonna get me all the
update plan
so the golfer talking was in August this is before the of talk and listen to this
I think you're a plan that basic I'll tell you the more I understand work last
night praying that this thing
more together at all for me. you know
we look like me were getting another career made
word you know and I don't see what we can ever hope to get out there we had
once been committed
want I believe the Chinese Communist company in Canada I don't thank you we
can
parent grandparent weird moment ever get anywhere on
him an area I don't think it's worth fighting for and I don't think we'd get
out
and it could be big them and it's gone off
and we describe that think about that I look at this target in Miami
morning at like little kids room where he's getting out my
thing and bring me and I'm treating all accounts thought about ordered
or give them their whatever him our name out there
for one thing I'm work to make party
well for us to make what is work to that country
we had how we got here about 30 we got a creeper
hello everybody else got together and I don't think about it
of course you start running the company
have a good to hear I did you know I'm pic is going to analyze teens ima George
money saying go for it do it he's
very reluctant the 64 well track right now go
will be in RI body but I V Caribbean
know that is ridiculous it with the Republic
your quandary that we have no destroying
within the group says that the next that if the owner
it that way do but I'm ready and I'll be gone he's
and now senator richard russell ellen Johnson finally found somebody would
agree with them
on this but the very ambivalent this is three months before the of talkin
so I'm is pretty amazing you listen to these tapes