Speaker 1: I'm going to play a clip for you from a recent episode of the Joe Rogan Program.
This was with comedian Bobby Lee.
It really bums me out to see this.
It really, genuinely does.
And I know there are people like me who have been on Rogan's show who won't ever criticize
him because they don't want to not get invited in the future.
I might never get invited.
If he does invite me, I'll gladly go on.
But that's not how I make decisions.
Joe is saying things here that are just wrong.
Here is a Covid rant where I don't know where he's getting this stuff.
Let's listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I got, I was really bad, but I lived through it and was fine.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of different things that were at play there.
First of all, there was just general metabolic health that was completely ignored.
People told you all you have to do is get vaccinated.
That's horse.
You're you're immune system is complex, and it relies on a bunch of different things to
keep it effective, relies on good nutrition.
It relies on sleep.
It relies on low stress.
It relies on vitamins and nutrients.
Speaker 1: Now, so far, it's not untrue that underlying health this isn't even about Covid.
Underlying health circumstances do predispose you to handle viruses well or not.
Well, so far we're okay.
Speaker 2: Healthy diet, exercise all those things were huge factors and they ignored
every single one of them.
When you look at the number of people that died of Covid, something like 90 plus percent
had four plus comorbidities, four plus cancer, diabetes, heart attack risk.
Fill in the blank.
Speaker 1: This is where it really goes off the rails.
Hearing that you might wrongly think, if I don't have four comorbidities, if I don't
have cancer and diabetes and heart disease, and then I'm going to be fine.
First of all, the 90 plus number is wrong.
The study he's referring to said 76%.
But here, here's why.
It's really deceptive okay.
When you look at the list of comorbidities people died with from Covid, they include
pneumonia caused by Covid.
They include respiratory failure caused by Covid.
This is why it's so deceptive.
And you've got to look at the data.
If you say to me they didn't die from Covid.
They died from pneumonia and respiratory failure.
Those are comorbidities.
Yes, they were caused by the Covid.
So what is that?
What are we really saying when we say, oh, comorbidities, comorbidities caused by Covid?
It is obviously true that if you are obese, diabetic, etc., your chances are worse.
We know that.
Nobody's denying that.
And that's not unique to Covid, but that is a very deceptive and I would argue, flat out
wrong thing to say for.
Speaker 2: Comorbidities 90 plus percent of all.
Yeah, it's not that it's not bad.
Of course it's bad.
But it's you know, it's worse.
You.
Telling everybody what they have to do, not have to do.
You motherfuckers telling people they could shut their businesses down and they have to
take this experimental medication, regardless of whether or not they have natural immunity.
Dude, he was just stopped.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what experimental medical.
The experimental medications were being proposed by Trump and his friends hydroxychloroquine,
ivermectin, etc. if he's calling the vaccine an experimental medication, I just think that's
flat out incorrect.
Speaker 3: But I'm with you.
It was.
Yeah, it was mind control.
Speaker 2: It was totalitarian, authoritarian tactics.
They were limiting people's livelihood, limiting people's ability to travel, shaming people.
Speaker 1: So listen on this stuff.
Mind control seems completely beyond the pale.
I do defer to the perspective of Sam Harris on this, which was at the very what he's talking
about with regard to business closures, etc. it was quite a short period of time as Sam
has laid it out.
The benefit of hindsight is hugely beneficial, but at the time we were using our best assessments
of the tools we had, and I don't believe that there were individuals acting in the conspiratorial
bad faith that Rogan and others seem to believe they were.
So I'm glad to talk to Joe any time.
I don't know that he would have me back.
You know, people write to me and go, David, if you think he's so wrong, go back on his
show.
And I go, sure, I'll go back.
And then they go, David Rogan would never have you any more because you criticize him.
Oh, okay.
Well, then I won't go back.
If he wants to chat with me about this stuff, I would be glad to.
And to be honest, I don't think Rogan's the type of guy who would say I'm not allowed
back on because I've critiqued him.
But the critiques are always of what he says on the substance, and I think he's just very
wrong about a bunch of this stuff.
Let me know your thoughts.
We'll take a quick break.
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