gareth morgan has announced a new
political cart patty called the
opportunities party or top already got
200 members he sees less than two hours
after he announced he was launching it
you need 500 I think the register don't
you and tried so on track for this
already he's just been down at
Parliament doing a stand-up with
all the media he's coming here now to
talk to me about it
what is it about Gareth unless the only
party
you seriously want to get sufficient
support to get five percent to get some
people in the parliament or is it
more meant to be your party or influence
from the outside what do you think well
it's definitely a path the idea
catherine is definitely the headphone
front on whoever the government of the
day as I don't have any aspirations or
anything to you know anything more than
this but I just feel that over the time
of my career which is you know getting
on 40 years now watching the operation
of parliament and the government and the
establishment parties and the career
politicians that new zealand's just not
fulfilling its potential
alright and so it's really what can I
give them a better than much
alright so that we do anyway many ways
of doing an actually did that with the
Morgan foundation we hit your colleague
and just yesterday that you have been
hot on the tail of what's happening with
climate change policy and commitments
you be very high profile of course and
conservation areas and trying to you
know shuffle councils along about
policies surrounding cats many ways to
do influence are you serious about the
resources the strategy in the commitment
that would cause as to get someone into
Parliament and if your list only you're
going the hard road you're goin five
proceed are you seriously going to
invest in that kind of a an approach to
the 2017 election
yeah that's quite deliberate I don't
want to be here just to make up the
numbers that has no interest for me
whatsoever i do have other things I
could be doing but i'm in this fortunate
position of both having the finance
obviously to do it but also it has been
my core business is actually
economics, it's not cats,
it's not even conservation it's
economics and anybody who you know has
been around over there for the years
will know that and there's a number of
books everything's done on and get to
there and I fight my point is you can't
influence you could influence by
starting a party that gives you a
megaphone during the election campaign
if you were serious about trying to get
five percent of the vote look at the
Colin Craig experience getting as high as
4.2 percent in the polls and talk about
doing deals and seats and things that
was with someone putting their money
towards the project as well but are you
got the strategists onboard the
political strategist on board and a
serious serious strategy to try and get
to the vibrant 3-shot that's big
I'm only happy with 5% I don't want to be
there with four percent three percent of
whatever that we have to have a certain
credibility to have influence
can't get five percent while we were
there for you stood in the electorate
next say perhaps maybe but I want to be
there and sufficient numbers to have
implants
otherwise i'd rather be at the beach
thing well let's look at what you have
talked about your dancing policies to to
late january but there's some stuff that
you've already talked about the Big
Kahuna was one of them for example quite
radical tax policy least radical the
idea actually have a guaranteed minimum
income for every citizen but what are
the sorts of policy areas and ideas
you've already got out there that you
expect will turn up in your manifesto
there will certainly be elements of the
Big Kahuna I mean that the issue with
the ubi and I'm say that all the time
you know when flavor had their future
for work policy is its fine and we all
understand that conceptually now how are
you going to fund of that's the issue so
and an issue are going to enunciate all
aspects of the ubi you know it's just
sort of wishful thinking
so what the difference between that's
all the stuff and actually putting stuff
up to be implemented as we will be doing
standing on the same of the eighth which
is our flagship policy day and so it's
not long away is that it's tractable
that you know done the numbers on the
funding and so on and i'm pretty
confident that what would you tell me
now and leave thousand-dollar payment to
every adult a flat tax rate of thirty
percent at a conference of capital gains
tax on buildings and property was part
of the Big Kahuna concept of the
guaranteed minimum income you also
considered it would cut super in half
have averaged payments sorry / the
incomes of super mutants and have
averaged payments the domestic purposes
been effect would have costed policy
look something like that
no there were at least half a dozen at
least have a dozen different
permutations of the cojones that were
all work physically and we will be
choosing essentially one of those the
main thing the main elements of the
corona that I'm pretty hard on is what
as restoring fairness to the techniques
to the income tax system so i want to
shut the loopholes on income tax so that
hit that is an akuna the rest of it
you'll have to wait and see true to some
of the eighth which is when we'll have a
formulator than you know a power
credible apparent from text policy what
is another area of policy that you would
push hard on and well there's a few I
mean we've got policies and the
education space and the health sector
we've got a couple of books and the
health sector so that's drawing on on
those environments itself i actually
think natural capital and as your
biggest asset and we can make money out
of natural capital and that's what
without warning of when they should buy
actually enhancing it so if we're just
talking to a pure environmental issues i
find it difficult to disagree with much
of what the green thing that's gonna be
a problem moment with wine and we're
gonna take votes off the green so you
can our potential investor 5% shoulder
and run off with three scenes of these
hey let's just look at look at this you
know because I've been asked this
question what's the profile of the
person who would support the opportunity
30 and i think that anybody who kids
actually because as I said at the press
conference this morning
you have to have fairness and the society
and the one that they had prosperity and
there's been a lot of empirical work
done on it over recent years by a
connoisseur easy day everywhere and so
you know they're not opposites you do
both together you don't have fairness
you don't get fewer clothes mirrors you
holding a high value on on the
environment format from 44 that point if
you're talking about introducing a
guaranteed minimum income and evening
out the text system how are you
different from where labor in particular
that the grains are well not actually
talking about again
Pikmin come I haven't actually seen it
yet so until we actually enunciate
whatever text policy is which will be
the same with the eighth because it is
the flagship policy that is pure
speculation you know it's coming but
today is really just a bit
we're here so back to the question which
parties i'm not going to send you can
see actually would you go with national
labor are and go with meaning coalition
don't understand pieces since but it's
yeah okay now we wouldn't go with any
anybody I want to be on the crossbench
because i think that there is actually
the most Archangel person who would be
one of the most and synergy with well i
think that if you're talking neighbor
and we're talking labor and national
we've got you know overlaps with both I
mean insulin and I personally I could
work with Angelo or john and i enjoyed
both of the and you know the company any
contribution so I just don't see it and
that picture my time I think she will
draw our support from across the
spectrum careful you might but that
happens also the question is we vote so
from to you if they don't and if you
miss the fight but think percent
threshold who might be most impacted by
the arrival of a new party
yeah well I'm interested have you done
focus groups have you done polling have
you done that kind of strategic don't
want none of that whoever looks very
establishment there my hand and he came
up with us and 34 weeks ago that i made
this decision and I do it so I think you
know the answer to all that's not
meeting anyone else you lining up for
your last year and now but early for
that but i would expect people hopefully
to come out of the woodwork as we go
towards their registration date and to
do that obviously we need the 500 but i
would want a lot more and and then I
want to feel that my guts really that
this is a go
you know I don't want to waste my time
so you'll be a little bit there's not
sufficient interest totally and I'm told
and everybody that you know financial
members will all get the money they
continually looking for someone else
started and then later so you're just
kicking it off you want a bunch of
people to come and in turn over how
empathize for what we're on about
it is a crowded market isn't that small
party space yet as but more palatable in
front seems that I've been saving for me
there
speaking of it is it is it wise for you
to pull back in some ways we've said you
know you had a number one hit the books
out to their own climate change in the
year on conservation would like to hear
what you're saying you had the Big
Kahuna which had all these economic
ideas there was a bit of a backlash you
know when you pop your head up over the
beach and abel tasman beach paper was
assigned a scarran enough already
all girls all the time all I would say
to those people as think about the ideas
that's the ideas here that men are not
but not the person or the people this is
about getting a set of policies that
will improve new zealand and make us
fear again and make us very proud of
what we already have the healthier the
other area where there is some
pre-existing work from you what what are
you thoughts the wheel policy here on
well the main thing and the health
shakes are the main finding we had from
all that work that was that you get four
times already returned of you and based
on prevention as opposed to more
hospitals and you know occasions to cut
ribbons and so we really do want to stop
people you know having to get into the
ambulance so it's very much that the
other idea and there that I had this
taking the principles of funding and
across to medical intervention generally
particularly and in the hospital
no other names associated with the party
at the moment that we should be the
world the only people who were there am
I to our fathers Jeff Simmons so yeah
just say was here yesterday and
potentially will be the camber campaign
manager so we have all those two design
for Morgan foundation has never employed
by Morgan foundation but I am obviously
all have been a trustee so I was on from
that as well for more foundation
continues and what the other researchers
that are still here and this little go
what is it off and you know other names
associated with it at the stuff like all
right when we decided to go or not
and by match and upset that day that you
know the policies without the out there
well before match they would have been
discussed will be going up and down the
country talking to people and then the
public music
no more either indicate yeah that's
worth a go what nasty little girl should
kids be nervous or as they're done and
dusted down and Dustin very proud of
what we did we catch them now all the
council's are fine so I'm very happy on
that issue thanks for coming and thank
you gareth morgan with the opportunities
party or top