BEEN WORKING AND LIVING THESE
REPORTS SINCE 1971.
BOB, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
JOINING US TONIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO BEGIN WITH A
NEW REPORT THAT WE HAVE ADDING
ON TO YOUR REPORTING.
THIS TODAY FROM THE GUARDIAN,
YOU REVEALED THE SEVEN AND A
HALF HOUR GAP IN THE WHITE
HOUSE PHONE LOGS ON JANUARY SIX,
THE GUARDIAN IS REPORTING THAT
AT LEAST ONE CALL THAT SHOULD
HAVE BEEN ON THOSE LOGS WAS
MADE TO SENATOR MIKE LEE.
THAT CALL CAME THROUGH A
MICHAELS PHONE THE WAY A CALL
COMES THROUGH WHEN IT IS
OFFICIALLY COMING FROM A WHITE
HOUSE PHONE, THE TWO 023950000
IDENTIFIER.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
THAT INDICATES THAT THERE WAS
AT LEAST ONE PHONE CALL, IF
THAT IS TRUE, THAT SHOULD HAVE
BEEN ON THE WAY AS LOGS THAT IS
NOT ON THOSE LOGS?
>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CALLS
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
FOR INSTANCE, CONVERSE --
THERE ARE SO MANY, YOU CANNOT
KEEP TRACK OF IT ALL.
THIS ASTONISHING SEVEN HOUR AND
37 MINUTE GAP THAT YOU AND I GO
BACK TO THE 1970S IN WATERGATE.
IT WAS ONLY A 18 AND A HALF
MINUTE GAP.
IT IS ASTONISHING.
IT IS NOT BELIEVABLE BECAUSE
TRUMP IS MAKING CALLS THAT DAY.
THIS IS JANUARY SIX, THE DAY OF
THE INSURRECTION, I THINK
ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT DAY
OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY.
HE IS MAKING TEN CALLS IN THE
MORNING.
THEN THIS GAP OF SEVEN HOURS
AND 37 MINUTES, AND THEN HE
MAKES A DOZEN CALLS IN THE
EVENING.
WHAT'S HAPPENED?
OUR RECORDS AND THERE ARE
ACCOUNTS OF PEOPLE THAT HE WAS
TALKING TO.
CLEARLY, IT IS INCOMPLETE, IT
IS ONE --
AS ONE LAW MARKERS TO ROBERT
COSTA, MY COAUTHOR FROM PERIL,
THE BOOK WE DID ON THIS, REPORT
SAID THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A
POSSIBLE COVER-UP.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN
ACCIDENTAL TIME IN TRUMP
HISTORY OR AMERICAN HISTORY
BECAUSE IT IS THE SEVEN AND A
HALF HOURS DURING THE VIOLENCE
OF THE INSURRECTION ITSELF.
>> WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO
YOU?
WITH ALL YOUR EXPERIENCE
COVERING THESE KINDS OF STORIES.
I SAY THESE KINDS OF STORIES
BECAUSE THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN A
COUPLE, THE NEXT STORY NOW THIS
TRUMP STORY.
COMPARED TO YOUR DISCOVERY OF
THIS SEVEN AND A HALF HOUR GAP
TO WHEN YOU DISCOVERED THERE
WAS AN 18 AND A HALF MINUTE GAP
ON THE NIXON TAPES?
HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THOSE
TWO MOMENTS?
>> YOU FEEL THAT TRYING TO BE A
REPORTER AND TRY TO GET MORE
INFORMATION.
MAKE SURE YOU CONFIRMED THE
ACCURACY OF IT, AND THEN ASK
THE QUESTION THAT ALWAYS
LINGERS, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
IN THE CASE OF NIXON, IF YOU
RECALL, ROSEMARY WOODS, HIS
SECRETARY, SAID SHE
ACCIDENTALLY ERASED IT.
THERE WAS A FAMOUS PICTURE OF
HER STRETCHING TO REACH THE
PEDAL ON HER DESK A RACING THE
NIXON TAPES.
A PHONE CALL OR SOMETHING ELSE
IN THE OFFICE.
AS SOMETIMES THINGS DID NOT
MAKE SENSE, I THINK THE REALLY
INTERESTING POINT IN ALL OF
THIS IS, IF YOU THINK ABOUT
THIS COUNTRY --
I HAVE BEEN READING BARBARA
ESSAYS RECENTLY, MY WIFE SAID YOU OUGHT TO LOOK TO THIS.
YOU OUGHT TO LOOK TO THIS.
BARBARA TUCHMAN IN 1976 WROTE
AN ESSAY, AND WHAT SHE SAID IS
UNIQUE ABOUT IN AMERICA IS THAT
IT IS A COUNTRY FOUNDED ON AN
IDEA.
THE IDEA IS DEMOCRACY.
WERE YOU HAVE IN ALL OF THIS,
IT IS A CRIME TO SUBVERT A
LAWFUL FUNCTION OF THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT.
I THINK YOU AND I WOULD AGREE,
OR MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE,
THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT FUNCTIONS OF THE
GOVERNMENT IS THIS
CERTIFICATION PROCESS OF SAYING
JOE BIDEN WON THE PRESIDENCY.
IN FACT, HE GOT ALL THE
ELECTORAL VOTES HE NEEDED.
IT WAS 306 TO 2:32 FOR TRUMP.
CONGRESS SPECIFIED IN LAW AND
CONSTITUTION MADE HIM
PRESIDENT.
SINCE THAT TIME, IN FACT BEFORE
THAT TIME, TRUMP HAS BEEN
TRYING TO SAY IF I LOSE THE
ELECTION, IT IS RIGGED AGAINST
ME.
WHEN HE LOST, HE SAID THAT HE
ACTUALLY WON.
THAT IS A SUBVERSION OF
DEMOCRACY.
THE JANUARY SIX COMMITTEE, I AM
SORRY TO BE SO LONG, HAS SAID
THAT THIS IS A CRIME.
A JUDGE SAID THAT IT IS LIKELY
A CRIME.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAW IN THE
HISTORY.
I GO BACK 100 YEARS, THERE WAS
A CHIEF JUSTICE NAMED HALF WHO
HAD BEEN PRESIDENT WHO SAID
THIS CLEARLY IS A CRIME IF IT
INVOLVES THIS HONESTY AND
TRICKERY.
OF COURSE, THAT THE FINDS TRUMP
ACTIONS ON THIS.
THE GINNI THOMAS TEXTS THAT YOU
HAVE REVEALED ARE EXCLUSIVELY
GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN
MARK MEADOWS AND VIRGINIA
THOMAS.
WE SEE JARED KUSHNER'S NAME
BRIGITTE MENTIONED IN THEIR.
JARED KUSHNER CLEARLY GOING TO
BE ASKED BY THE COMMITTEE, WHAT
ABOUT YOUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH
THE VIRGINIA THOMAS?
SO THERE'S CONCEIVABLY SEVERAL
OTHER PEOPLE, WITHIN THE TRUMP
WHITE HOUSE, WHO WILL HAVE
THESE KIND OF COMMUNICATIONS
WITH VIRGINIA THOMAS THAT MAY
OR MAY NOT BE REVEALED.
>> THAT INDEED --
BOB COSTA AND I CHECKED ON
JARRED AND TALK TO A SPOKESMAN
FOR HIM, AND HE INDICATED THAT
HE DIDN'T RECALL GETTING
ANYTHING ON THIS.
WE'LL SEE.
AS YOU KNOW SO WELL, THIS IS
ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF THE
HONEST FUNCTIONING OF
GOVERNMENT, ALL BRANCHES.
THIS IS, AS MY COLLEAGUE BOB
COSTA CALLS IT, A DANGEROUS,
LOOMING ENTANGLEMENT BETWEEN
JUSTICE CLARENCE THOMAS AND HIS
WIFE, AND IT NEEDS TO BE
EXPLAINED.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM, THANK GOD, --
USED TO ALWAYS SAY, THE TRUTH