BUT THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD NEVER LET AMERICA FORGET DONALD
TRUMP’S BIG LIE ABOUT HIS BIG
WALL.
WALL. LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION NOW,
JOHN HEILMAN, NATIONAL AFFAIRS
ANALYST FOR NBC NEWS AND MSNBC.
HE’S COAST HOST AND EXECUTIVE
PRODUCER OF SHOW TIMES THE
CIRCUS.
CIRCUS. ALSO EDITOR AT LARGE AT VOX AND
THE HOST OF THE PODCAST THE EZRA
KLEIN SHOW.
KLEIN SHOW. AND KIMBERLY ATKINS, NATIONAL
BUREAU CHIEF FOR THE BOSTON
HERALD.
HERALD. MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR.
MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR. EZRA, WHAT I’M WATCHING IN THE
OVAL OFFICE FOR THE MOST PART
WITH NANCY PELOSI AND CHUCK
SCHUMER IS THE OLD METHOD.
THEY ARE STEPPING UP THEIR GAME
IN A CERTAIN WAY, INTERRUPTING
DONALD TRUMP AND PLAYING TO THE
CAMERA.
CAMERA. BUT THEY THINK IT’S GOING TO BE
A SERIOUS IN THE OVAL OFFICE SO
WE HAVE TO STAY SERIOUS AND
PRESENT OUR SERIOUS POSITION ALL
THE WAY THROUGH HERE.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY
DON’T WANT TO BRING UP MEXICO
WILL PAY FOR THE WALL IS THEY
KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS IT IS, AND
THEY DON’T WANT THOSE RIDICULOUS
WORDS TO COME OUT OF THEIR
MOUTHS.
MOUTHS. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THERE IS
STILL ROOM FOR THEM TO FIGURE
OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH DONALD
TRUMP IN ONE OF THESE MEETINGS
THAT TURNS OUT TO BE A CIRCUS.
>> I DO THINK THAT THEY DID A
NICE JOB, TO GIVE THEM SOME
CREDIT HERE, OF PUTTING HIM IN A
CORNER.
CORNER. WHAT STRUCK ME SO DEEPLY ABOUT
THAT MEETING WAS THAT DONALD
TRUMP DOESN’T HIMSELF WANT THE
WALL.
WALL. THAT IS NOT THE MEETING YOU HOLD
IF YOU WANT THE WALL.
THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT HE WANTS
IN FUNDING AND WHAT HE’S
CURRENTLY GOT IN FUNDING IS
$3.7 BILLION.
$3.7 BILLION. LAWRENCE, YOU KNOW FEDERAL
BUDGETS.
BUDGETS. THAT IS NOTHING IN THE FEDERAL
BUDGET.
BUDGET. IF HE WANTED THAT WALL, HE WOULD
NOT HAVE PUT THAT MEETING IN
FRONT OF THE CAMERAS, WHICH IS
SOMETHING THEY KEPT SAYING.
AND HE’D BE WILLING TO GIVE THEM
SOMETHING FOR IT.
DREAMERS PROTECTIONS WOULD BE A
VERY EASY TRADE.
IT ACTUALLY WOULD BE A POPULAR
TRADE FOR HIM TO MAKE AND EVEN
FOR THEM TO MAKE.
BUT THE THING DID TRUMP IS HE
DOESN’T WANT THE WALL, HE WANTS
THE FIGHT OVER THE WALL.
I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT.
I DON’T THINK THEY KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENT
WHO DOESN’T WANT HIS POLICIES
BECAUSE HE DOESN’T CARE ABOUT
POLICY.
POLICY. WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS HAVE
FIGHTS WITH DEMOCRATS ABOUT
POLICY OR ABOUT POLICY IDEAS OR
ABOUT WORDS THAT SOUND LIKE
POLICY IDEAS AND HAVE THOSE
FIGHTS ON CAMERA.
THE FACT THAT THOSE FIGHTS DON’T
REBOUND WELL FOR HIM, HE’S IN A
POPULAR POSITION DOESN’T SEEM TO
BOTHER HIM.
BOTHER HIM. TRUMP RUNS HIS PRESIDENCY AS IF
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE
RATINGS IN THE TELEVISION SHOW
HE’S STARRING ON ARE GOOD.
WHETHER THE PLOT TWISTS ARE
INTERESTING.
INTERESTING. TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY IN THE
TRUMP SHOW.
TRUMP SHOW. IF YOU’RE SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES
IN DONALD TRUMP’S VISION FOR
AMERICA, IT WAS A TERRIBLE DAY.
IT WAS A DAY WHEN YOU SAW HIS HE
HAS NO INTEREST AT ALL TO GET
THAT VISION DONE.
>> KIMBERLY ATKINS, ELI STOKOLS
REPORTING TONIGHT THAT TRUMP
STORMED OUT OF THE OVAL OFFICE
RIGHT AFTER THE PELOSI/SCHUMER
MEETING ENDED, FLICKERING
MATERIALS IN FRUSTRATION, SAID
ONE STAFFER WHO SAW IT.
AND SO KIMBERLY, ACCORDING TO
ONE LEAKING STAFFER IN THE WHITE
HOUSE, DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT AT
ALL PLEASED WITH THE WAY THINGS
WENT.
WENT. >> AND I CAN’T REALLY BLAME HIM.
I MEAN, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HOW
CHUCK SCHUMER AND NANCY
PELOSI -- WHAT THEY’RE USED TO
DEALING WITH IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
BUT WHAT STRUCK ME WAS THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP, FOR THE FIRST
TWO YEARS OF HIS PRESIDENCY, HAS
BEEN USED TO LEADERS IN THE
HOUSE AND THE SENATE WHO, AT
BEST, IGNORE WHAT HE’S DOING
AND, AT WORST, CAPITULATE TO
SOME OF HIS OWN WORST INSTINCTS.
THEY’VE NEVER STOOD UP TO HIM,
THEY’VE NEVER REALLY PUSHED BACK
AGAINST HIM.
AGAINST HIM. NOW HE’S FACING NANCY PELOSI WHO
IS ABOUT TO TAKE THE GAVEL OF
THE SPEAKERSHIP.
THE SPEAKERSHIP. AND I THINK HE’S BEGINNING TO
UNDERSTAND BOTH IN MESSAGING AND
ON POLICY THAT SHE IS GOING TO
BE A VERY DIFFERENT SPEAKER THAN
PAUL RYAN WAS, THAT SHE IS
SOMEBODY WHO WILL STAND UP TO
HIM.
HIM. SHE WAS TRYING TO SHOW SOME
DECORUM IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
SAYING SEVERAL TIMES THAT THIS
WAS A DISCUSSION THAT PERHAPS
SHOULD BE HELD OFF CAMERA.
BUT WHEN DONALD TRUMP TOOK A
SWIPE AT HER ABOUT THE
SPEAKERSHIP BATTLE THAT SHE’S
HAVING RIGHT NOW, SHE MADE IT
PRETTY CLEAR THAT SHE’S NOT THE
ONE, THAT SHE’S NOT THE ONE TO
BE MESSED WITH AND ADVISED HIM
NOT TO DO THAT.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE SAW IS
THE BEGINNING OF WHAT COULD BE A
ROLLER COASTER RIDE OF A
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DONALD
TRUMP AS HE FINALLY STANDS --
FACES SOMEONE WHO CAN STAND IN
THE WAY OF HIS POLICY, WHO CAN
PUSH BACK, AND WHO IS GOING TO
LEAD AN EFFORT TO TRY TO HOLD
HIM ACCOUNTABLE IN A WAY THAT HE
HASN’T BEEN FOR TWO YEARS.
>> JOHN HEILMAN, THE ASSOCIATED
PRESS IS REPORTING DONALD TRUMP
DID SAY IN THE CLOSED DOOR
VERSION OF THE MEETING, MEXICO
WILL PAY FOR THE WALL ONE WAY OR
THE OTHER.
THE OTHER. NANCY PELOSI WAS SHOCKED BY
THAT, AND THEN TRUMP TOLD THE
LIE THAT IN THE NEW VERSION OF
NAFTA, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY WILL
BE USED TO PAY FOR THE WALL.
HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THE
AMERICAN GOVERNMENT COLLECTS NO
MONEY IN THE NEW VERSION OF
NAFTA OR IN THE OLD VERSION OF
NAFTA.
NAFTA. THAT’S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.
ELI STOKOLS REPORTING THIS ABOUT
THE MEETING.
THE MEETING. THE CLOSED DOOR SESSION, HE
SAYS, AM TOLD VERY LITTLE OF
SUBSTANCE TOOK PLACE AFTER THE
POOL CAMERAS -- ONCE THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN AGGRAVATE
TODAY THAT LEVEL, THERE’S NO
COMING BACK FROM THAT AND
REFOCUSSING ACCORDING TO THE ONE
WHO LEAKED.
WHO LEAKED. >> YOUR PRISM YOU VIEW TRUMP AS
A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, YOU TAKE
THAT AS THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL
THING ABOUT HIM AND FIGURE OUT
WHAT YOUR STRATEGIES AND TACTICS
ARE BASED ON THAT.
THE SOLE -- I THINK IT MAY BE A
FATAL FLAW IN YOUR
PERSPECTIVE -- THAT TRUMP LIES
TO HIMSELF AS MUCH AS HE LIES TO
EVERYONE ELSE.
EVERYONE ELSE. >> SURE, SURE.
>> SO LYING TO YOURSELF AT THAT
LEVEL TURNS INTO A DELUSION,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? THE THING ABOUT MEXICO, YOU
COULD CONFRONT HIM WITH HIS OWN
WORDS ABOUT MEXICO PAYING FOR
THE WALL.
THE WALL. AND YOU IMAGINE HE WOULD SAY ON
CAMERA WHAT HE SAID IN THE
PRIVATE SESSION, HE WOULD JUST
YELL AT YOU MORE HOW MEXICO IS
GOING TO EVENTUALLY PAY FOR THE
WALL.
WALL. THE DELUSIONS OF THE MAN WERE ON
DISPLAY TO AN EXTRAORDINARY
DEGREE HERE TODAY.
THE LIE THAT HE TELLS HIMSELF
THAT HE’S A BETTER NEGOTIATOR
THAN EVERYONE ELSE, WHEN IT’S
CLEAR NOW HE’S NOT JUST A BAD
NEGOTIATOR, BUT THE WORST
NEGOTIATOR.
NEGOTIATOR. WE’RE GOING TO SEE THAT PLAY
OUT.
OUT. THAT PLAYED OUT TODAY.
THE WHY HE’S BETTER ON
TELEVISION -- IF HE FORCES A
COUPLE PEOPLE WHO AREN’T USED TO
THE REALITY TV MILIEUX INTO AN
UNEXPECTED TELEVISED
UNEXPECTED TELEVISED CONFRONTATION, HE’LL GET THE
BETTER OF THEM.
YOU LEARN QUICKLY, TRUMP IS IN
CLOUD CUCKOO LAND ABOUT HIS
TELEVISION PERFORMER SINCE HE
GOT OUTPLAYED COMPLETELY BY
NANCY PELOSI AND I SCHUMER.
THE THING I THOUGHT WAS
INCREDIBLE HE SEEMS TO REALLY
BELIEVE THERE IS A MOMENT YOU
CAN TELL HE’S BEING ERNEST WITH
NANCY PELOSI, WE WON THE SENATE,
NANCY, WE WON THE SENATE.
AND YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT HER
AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE
SENATE.
SENATE. YOU DIDN’T WIN THE SENATE.
YOU HAD THE SENATE.
YOU PICKED UP A COUPLE SEATS IN
THE MOST FORBIDDING DECLINE OF
DEMOCRATS IN 100 YEARS.
YOU FAILED IN EVERY RESPECT IN
THE MIDTERMS.
THE MIDTERMS. HOW CAN YOU BE CLINGING TO THIS
NOTION THAT SOMEHOW, WELL, YOU
WON THE HOUSE AND WE WON THE
SENATE?
SENATE? THE MAN TRULY, THOUGH, BELIEVES
THAT.
THAT. AND ALL OF THOSE DELUSIONS I
THINK WHAT WE LEARNED TODAY ARE
GOING TO CAUSE HIM A LOT OF
PROBLEMS IN THE COMING NEXT TWO
YEARS.
YEARS. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. LET’S LISTEN TO -- IF WE STAY
WITH THE MUELLER EXAMPLE OF THIS
AND CONSIDER WHAT WAS GOING ON
IN THE OVAL OFFICE, DONALD TRUMP
TESTIFYING ABOUT HIS CRIMES AND
HE EVENTUALLY CONFESSES THAT HE
WANTS TO SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT
AND COMMIT THAT CRIME AGAINST
GOVERNMENT, LET’S LISTEN TO THE
TRUMP DEFENSE LAWYER WHOSE JOB
WAS TO SPEAK AFTER DONALD TRUMP
TODAY.
TODAY. THAT ROLE WAS PLAYED BY MITCH
McCONNELL.
McCONNELL. LET’S LISTEN TO HOW THE TRUMP
DEFENSE LAWYER TRIED TO CLEAN
THIS UP.
THIS UP. >> THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE’S
WILLING TO TAKE FULL OWNERSHIP
OF A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
HOW DOES THAT SIT WITH YOU?
>> WELL, I HOPE THAT’S NOT WHERE
WE END UP.
I UNDERSTAND IT IT WAS A RATHER
SPIRITED MEETING.
SPIRITED MEETING. WE ALL WATCHED.
BUT I’D STILL LIKE TO SEE A
SMOOTH ENDING HERE AND I HAVEN’T
GIVEN UP HOPE THAT’S WHAT WE’LL
HAVE.
HAVE. >> MITCH McCONNELL WANTS A
SMOOTH ENDING, CHUCK SCHUMER
WANTS A SMOOTH ENDING, NANCY
PELOSI WANTS A SMOOTH ENDING,
THERE WILL BE A SMOOTH ENDING,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? >> IT’S LIKE A FIGHT CLUB.
IF YOU DON’T WANT TO SHUT DOWN
THE GOVERNMENT, YOU DOESHLT TALK
ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN THE
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. YOU NEVER WANT TO BE THE PERSON
SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT.
THERE IS A MOMENT IN THE MEETING
TODAY WHERE YOU CAN JUST TELL.
YOU PLAYED THE CLIP EARLIER.
THAT SCHUMER CANNOT BELIEVE, HE
CAN’T BELIEVE HE JUST GOT DONALD
TRUMP TO SAY, I WILL SHUTDOWN
THE GOVERNMENT.
THE GOVERNMENT. THAT WILL BE ALL ME.
THE THING PRESIDENTS TYPICALLY
DO AFTER THEY LOSE A MIDTERM IS
THEY BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT.
THEY TRY TO MODERATE IN BETWEEN
A NEW OPPOSITION CONGRESS AND
THEIR OWN PARTY.
THEY TRY TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT TO
THE MIDDLE AND THEY TRY TO
NEGOTIATE.
NEGOTIATE. AND THEY TRY TO SHOW THAT THE
PARTY THAT JUST CAME IN, THE
PARTY THAT JUST WON THE MIDTERM,
WILL STOP AT NOTHING, INCLUDING
SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT TO
STOP THEIR AGENDA.
THEY WANT TO SHOW THEY’RE ON THE
SIDE OF THE COUNTRY.
THEY, THE PRESIDENT.
THIS NEW HOUSE MAJORITY,
WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, IS ON THE
SIDE OF SOME NARROW PARTISAN
AGENDA.
AGENDA. WHAT YOU DON’T DO IS TURN AROUND
AND SAY I, THE PRESIDENT, WILL
STOP AT NOTHING ON MY AGENDA.
LY SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT.
I WILL TRY TO GET SOMETHING
AFTER AN ELECTION IN WHICH I
LOST THE ELECTION -- BY THE WAY,
IN THE SENATE, THEY LOST THE
POPULAR VOTE IN THE SENATE VERY,
VERY, VERY BADLY.
HE DID NOT WIN THE SENATE IN
TERMS OF POPULAR OPINION.
THEY HAD A GOOD MAP.
IT’S A BIZARRE PERFORMANCE AND
AT THAT MOMENT, AND I THINK YOU
SEE WITH McCONNELL THERE, TOO,
SCHUMER AND PELOSI CANNOT
BELIEVE WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS
JUST SAID IN THE NEGOTIATING
POSITION HE JUST PUT HIMSELF IN.
AND McCONNELL NOW ALSO CANNOT
BELIEVE THE NEGOTIATING POSITION
TRUMP HAS JUST PUT HIM IN
BECAUSE NOW THERE IS A SHUTDOWN,
THERE IS NO WAY FOR McCONNELL,
NO WAY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT HE
WOULD WANT TO DO AND WHAT HE
MAYBE WOULD HAVE PROFITED DOING
IS BLAME IT ON THE DEMOCRATS.
>> I’M SURE HE’LL DO IT ANYWAY
IF IT COMES TO THAT.
>>> KIMBERLY, THE POLLING ON THE
WALL COULD NOT BE CLEARER.
50% SAY IT’S NOT A PRIORITY AT
ALL, ONLY -- LET’S SEE, 28%,
WHICH IS TRUMP WORLD, SAY IT’S
AN IMMEDIATE PRIORITY.
THE PUBLIC IS WITH THE
SCHUMER/PELOSI SIDE OF THIS
ARGUMENT.
ARGUMENT. >> YES.
>> YES. BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS
THAT THE PRESIDENT KEEPS GOING
BACK TO.
BACK TO. I CALL THEM THE CROWD PLEASEERS,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? THE THINGS THAT HE SAYS AT
RALLIES USUALLY THAT HE KNOWS
GINS UP HIS CROWD, HE SEES IT AS
A RALLYING CRY AKIN TO LOCK HER
UP, BUT HE KNOWS IT’S NOT GOING
TO HAPPEN.
TO HAPPEN. BUT HE KEEPS GOING BACK TO IT.
WHAT’S SURPRISING IS HOW MUCH HE
WENT TO IT DURING THIS MEETING.
I CHECKED THE WHITE HOUSE
TRANSCRIPT, AND HE SAID THE WORD
"WALL" 45 TIMES, WHICH IS WHAT I
BELIEVE NANCY PELOSI LATER
SAID -- WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS
OBSESSION WITH IT AND THOUGHT
THAT IT WAS PERHAPS A MANHOOD
THING.
THING. IT’S A PART OF HIS IDENTITY NOW.
IT’S SOMETHING THAT TRANSCENDS A
POLICY.
POLICY. AND I THINK GOING INTO THIS
MEETING, I THOUGHT ONE OF TWO
THINGS COULD HAPPEN.
GIVEN THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION,
GIVEN THE ROLLER COASTER OF THE
STOCK MARKET AND THE PROBLEM
FINDING A CHIEF OF STAFF, DONALD
TRUMP COULD EITHER GO IN THIS
TRYING TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL IN
ORDER TO GET A WIN AND TO CHANGE
THE SUBJECT OF THE HEADLINES, OR
HE WOULD BE SO FRUSTRATED BY ALL
THOSE THINGS THAT HE WOULD GO
IN, YOU KNOW, WERE A TERRIBLE
DISPOSITION, AND LASH OUT.
IT LOOKS LIKE HE DID THE LATTER.
AND IT DIDN’T WORK OUT FOR HIM
TOO WELL.
TOO WELL. I MEAN, I THINK HE MISSED EVEN
WHEN CHUCK SCHUMER WAS TROEMING
HIM A
HIM A -- TROLLING HIM WHAT HE SAID
ABOUT THE SENATE.
HE DIDN’T CATCH IT.
HE WAS NOT ON HIS GAME.
HE RETREATED TO THE PLACE WHERE
HE’S COMFORTABLE, WHICH IS
CALLING FOR THAT WALL.
>> JOHN, I THINK THE DEMOCRATS
NANCY PELOSI, CHUCK SCHUMER HAVE
TO RECONSIDER ALL TACTICS IN
DEALING WITH THE PRESIDENT IN
THESE SITUATIONS, INCLUDING NOT
ATTENDING THIS MEETING, SIMPLY
PUTTING THEIR PROPOSAL ON ONE
PIECE OF PAPER, RELEASING IT
PUBLICLY, AND SAYING, WE KNOW
THE PRESIDENT CAN’T READ MORE
THAN ONE PIECE OF PAPER, HERE’S
OUR FUNDING PROPOSAL.
WHY GO INTO A CIRCUS --
DISCUSSION WITH A CIRCUS CLOWN?
THE OTHER IS IF YOU ARE IN A
DISCUSSION WITH A CIRCUS CLOWN
IN THE OVAL OFFICE, FOR THE
FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, I THINK
THE -- WHAT WILL BE THE SPEAKER
OF THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE
MINORITY LEADER HAVE TO CONSIDER
WHEN THEY GET UP AND LEAVE.
WHEN THEY STAND UP AND SAY,
HERE’S OUR PROPOSAL RIGHT HERE
ON ONE PAGE FOR YOU.
THAT’S IT.
THAT’S IT. AND LEAVE.
AND LEAVE. ONCE HE GOES INTO THESE CRAZY
RANTS.
RANTS. THE POWER OF THEM WALKING OUT ON
HIM IS A POWER THAT AT SOME
POINT THEY MIGHT WANT TO
EXERCISE.
EXERCISE. >> I TOTALLY AGREE THAT ALL
RECONSIDERATION OF TACTICS IS IN
ORDER.
ORDER. I TOTALLY AGREE A DIFFERENT KIND
OF COUNTER THEATER IS IN ORDER.
>> YES.
>> YES. >> PARTICULARLY BECAUSE, AGAIN,
TO GO BACK TO THE THING WE’VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHAT
WAS CLEAR TODAY IS ALTHOUGH THEY
MAY NOT HAVE DONE EVERYTHING
THEY COULD HAVE DONE TO UNNERVE
DONALD TRUMP, THAT THEY DID
UNNERVE HIM.
UNNERVE HIM. WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT CYOPS WORK
WITH DONALD TRUMP.
HE HAS A FRAGILE PSYCHE, AN EASY
TO GAME OUT PSYCHE.
RIGHT?
RIGHT? SO IN THIS MEETING WHICH THEY
CAME TO WITH A RELATIVELY
TRADITIONAL APPROACH, AND THEY
CAME TO WITHOUT A LOT OF KIND OF
AVANGARDE THEATRICS TO PLAY,
WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE IF
THEY WENT TO THEE A TRICKS, A
POINT YOU MADE ABOUT BOB
MUELLER.
MUELLER. THAT WAS A FEW GOOD MEN MOMENT.
IT WAS THE MOMENT WHEN KATHY --
JACKIE GLEE SON FINALLY SAID,
YOU’RE DAM RIGHT I WENT TO CODE
RED.
RED. KATHY CAN’T BELIEVE HE ADMITTED
TO DOING IT.
IT WAS TOM CRUISE AT THAT
MOMENT, SERGEANT OF ARMS SAYS,
LISTEN UP, THAT’S THE MOMENT WE
COULD HAVE IN THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. >> I THINK THEY DID A FINE JOB
OF IMPROVISING TODAY.
I THINK THEY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
IMPROVISING, THINK ABOUT THEIR
NEXT MEETING, WHEN IS THEIR WALK
OUT MOMENT, LET IT HAPPEN AND
LET DONALD TRUMP BE AFRAID OF