Parents of the Michigan high school shooting
suspect are in police custody right now.
This was after the pair evaded authorities for
hours after they were charged with involuntary manslaughter.
>> That's right, the parents of Oxford high school shooter Ethan crumbly were
finally captured over the weekend after they attempted to flee prosecution for
their part in the tragedy.
Now the man who law enforcement claimed help the parents hide has
also identified himself.
So police launched a manhunt after the parents failed to appear
at their arraignment hearing on Friday later arresting them at a Detroit
building after a sighting by a member of the public early Saturday.
Police said authorities found the couple on the first floor of an industrial or
commercial building in Detroit some 40 miles south of Oxford where they live
after someone tipped police Friday night that their vehicle was nearby.
Now the crumbles claim that they're good people, they weren't trying to flee.
It's just they wanted a safe space to stay in as they were
receiving all sorts of death threats.
But the fact of the matter is they didn't appear at their scheduled arraignment.
There were also other elements that are worth mentioning,
including the fact that they withdraw, decided to withdraw $4000 from their ATM.
Or from their bank account as they were fleeing, trying to evade the authorities,
but we've got more details on this junk.
Why don't you jump in?
>> Yeah, no, this is actually my favorite part of the disastrous story.
But this part is a little amusing, they're like, no, no we weren't fleeing.
We just ran from the house, grabbed all the cash we could and
then hit in a warehouse.
Instead of being in court where we were supposed to show up for
a Raymond and they, their lawyer explains that they had quote fully intended
to turn themselves in before authorities arrested them Saturday morning.
Well when authorities come to arrest and you go, you're never gonna believe this.
But while I was hiding in the warehouse, I was had made the decision that I was about
to turn myself in when you guys broke the door down.
What an amazing courses by the way same, exactly.
Osama bin laden said, seal team six is here, you'll never believe this guys.
I was about to turn myself in, okay.
Not really how it works,
it takes some degree of temerity to make that claim.
Also, by the way, I don't know why they got bailed,
I can't imagine a bigger flight risk.
They already ran right and I can't imagine a more important case, it was for
kids murdered and seven wounded.
So what does it take not to get bail that you have to be black or brown tonight?
Get bailed, but they have a bail option.
I don't know if the right wing has started raising funds for them yet, but
wait for it.
>> Here's, some other information that's relevant.
So as I had mentioned, the parents also withdrew $4000 on Friday from an ATM.
In Rochester hills, about 10 to 15 miles from Oxford.
And that's according to what a law enforcement official told
CNN law enforcement, we're tracking the couple's whereabouts by cellphone pings.
But the signal had dropped because the couple's cell phones were
mysteriously turned off.
>> They were about to turn them back on and and turn themselves in and
leave the warehouse where they were in hiding like three seconds before
the cops caught him.
And it's so it's just an unlucky break that they caught there.
>> Now their defense attorney is doing what defense attorneys are supposed to do.
She's attempting to defend their bad behavior but get a load of the laughable
argument the defense attorney made in this video, let's watch.
>> Last night and throughout the day we were in contact with our clients.
They, were scared, they were terrified, they were not at home.
They were figuring out what to do getting finances in order and
we had plans to meet them at 7:30 to text the fugitive apprehension team
to get to the court by 8:30 so they could be arraigned first thing.
Those were plans, we made in solidified and
we did not announce it because unlike the prosecution,
we weren't attempting to make this a media spectacle, right?
>> So it's the prosecution's fault for making these two suspects flee police and
then that led to a manhunt, which of course is going to be publicized because
they're on the run as they're facing involuntary manslaughter charges.
But it's a prosecutions fault.
>> Yeah, the reason they were caught is because they publicized their car and
their license plate and a good Samaritan saw it and then saw,
I believe the mom by the car and then called 911 and they were caught that way.
And it was just minutes before they were about to turn themselves in that they were
caught of course.
And otherwise there's such upstanding citizens, that's what they usually do.
Anyways, look guys, one more thing about that, they said they were so
deathly afraid of, what exactly are they saying?
The cops, they were afraid of the cops, I mean, who else was gonna come to get them?
Are they saying that there's something wrong with the cops that they would have
just shot them by the way?
The cops did go in into a situation where these guys were running from the law and
they were, considered very dangerous and perhaps armed and
they knew anything to them.
They just, the rest of them, perfectly calmly.
So I, I think it's a really good question to ask them, what were you afraid of?
>> Now, both of them are being held in the same county prison as their son.
But all three of them of course are separated.
The parents are, I know are in isolation and
they're on suicide watch as well, in regard to their charges.
James and Jennifer Crumbly are each charged with four counts of involuntary
manslaughter in connection with the alleged actions of their 15 year old son
Ethan Crumbly.
Who is accused of killing four classmates during Tuesday's shooting at Oxford High
school in suburban Detroit.
Now in regard to the individual who helped the parents hide out in a warehouse,
he claims that he had no idea that the parents had an active warrant.
And really he, that is the big question that needs to be answered as to whether or
not he gets prosecuted for helping them out.
So he could be charged with harboring criminals or harboring suspects.
However, if there's any indication that he was really ignorant of the fact that they
had active warrants against him or against them,
then he could avoid being prosecuted.
So his name is Andre Sikora on Sunday identified himself through
his attorney as the individual law,
as the individual law enforcement says, help the Crumb please, now.
>> I'm just gonna take a quick note on him,
he actually did turn himself in right and, and we don't know his circumstances.
So I reserve all judgment on him completely.
He might not have known, we don't know any of that, right.
The parents clearly knew that Ethan crumbly had a weapon that they had given
to him as a present.
They clearly knew he had written things that were very disturbing,
like the thoughts won't stop.
Help me and after knowing that they did not withdrawn from school and
they did not tell the school that he had, he potentially had a gun on him.
Instead they just walked away, so, before we get to the,
obviously they adjudicated in the trial, but they appear to be massively guilty.
I just want to make a distinction between them and the other guy who might or
might not have helped them to hide.
>> Exactly and I also want to talk a little bit about the charges that
the parents are facing, why they're facing involuntary manslaughter charges and
I think they should face involuntary manslaughter charges.
For instance, prosecutors allege that they allowed their son free access to
the gun used in the shooting,
which they say James crumbly bought four days prior on black Friday.
But one of their attorneys, Shannon Smith, said the gun was locked.
So that's something that needs to be proven or adjudicated.
But whether the gun was locked or not, it's abundantly clear that their son Ethan
not only had access to the gun, but he was posting photos of the gun on social media.
He was also engaging in some behavior in the classroom
that drew some attention from educators from teachers.
And they reported him to counselors and it seems as though the parents were
aware of that and basically let him know, we're not mad at you.
Just be a little more careful next time, don't get caught.
Let me give you the details on that, so Jennifer Crumbly also posted about
the gun on social media, calling it his new Christmas present Macdonald continued.
Mcdonald is the prosecutor in this case and his mother also took him to
a shooting range the weekend before the shooting at the school.
According to law enforcement, we also have some more details about those warning
signs that the educators had noticed.
For instance, the day before the shooting, a teacher saw Ethan crumbly searching for
ammunition on his phone and reported it to school officials, Jennifer Crumbly.
The mother did not respond to school officials when they called her about
the conduct, but later that day sent a text message to her son saying, quote,
L-O-L, I'm not mad at you.
You have to learn not to get caught end, quote.
>> I don't know, she wrote that message or thought the same thing right
after he murdered for kids and wounded seven L-O- L.
You owe me no, what we do know actually because she probably said it to her and
herself into her husband.
L-O-L son murdered four people with a gun.
We bought him as a Christmas present when we knew he clearly had mental health
issues and was 15 years old.
Try not let's try not to get caught, let's go hiding in a warehouse somewhere.
Okay, so, the degree to which I have no sympathy for
these parents is immeasurable degree to which I have enormous sympathy for
the parents of the victims is also immeasurable.
I think these people should spend I look, you can say it's hard.
I think they should spend the rest of their lives in prison.
Those kids aren't coming back because the family of the kids who got killed when
my kids come back.
Well, their whole life is taken, their whole life is taken.
And by the way, I'll make note here as a progressive,
I'm not sure that he think crumbly should be charged as an adult.
He's 15 years old, he, he wrote things like my life is useless,
the world is dead, the thoughts won't stop.
Help me, that's a cry for
help from this to whoever would listen to school his parents, etc.
And so he's got issues and that,
that is an interesting case as to whether he should be tried as an adult or not.
The lunatic parents who gave that 15 year old a gun.
>> And then tried to flee the authorities.
Yes, that is not unclear, that is very clear.
They're definitely, again, it gets adjudicated in court, but
from the evidence we can see they appear to be enormously guilty.
>> And just a few more facts of the story.
What we're learning as it developed, so the day of the shooting, this is chilling.
A different teacher alarmed, became alarmed after the alleged shooter had
a drawing that showed a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words,
the thoughts won't stop.
Help me to jenks point another section displayed a drawing of a bullet with
the words blood everywhere written above it between the drawing of the gun and
the bullet is one of a person who seems to have been shot twice and is bleeding.
So when the teacher saw that, of course, she reports it to school officials, but
a, what's incredible is while it seems as though the educators wanted him to
leave school that day, this is the day of the shooting.
The parents were relentless in demanding that he go back to class and they listened
to the parents and unfortunately he was allowed back in class.
They did not search his backpack, which is something that the school
officials have the right to do, also below that figure.
In regard to that drawing that he had,
below that figure is a drawing of a laughing emoji prosecutor,
Karen Mcdonald said, also found on the note, according to Mcdonald again,
Mcdonald as the prosecutor, my life is useless and the world is dead.
>> A couple more points here, look, I wouldn't give a 15 year old a gun of under
any circumstances, I don't know, man, I'm sure that there's some mature 15 year old.
But in my experience, the overwhelming majority of 19 year old, are 15
year old are nowhere near mature enough to handle any weapon, let alone a gun.
And then you see that those notes and I certainly would no matter what
anybody's age was, I would never give someone a gun that said,
the world is dead and I blood everywhere and make the thoughts stop.
Come on, and then it's a 15 year old that has those thoughts.
And the parents know he has the gun and they let him go back into the school.
And by the way, he then started shooting people immediately as soon as he was
allowed back into the school, the parents are absolute monsters.
And then look at every excuse is there, there is total weak sauce nonsense.
I mean it was locked really well, as Ana pointed out there it is in the picture,
he's holding it in the picture boy that seems really locked.
Right, and then second of all,
you know how we know it's not locked because he had it.
He used it as the murder weapon, that's how we know it wasn't locked or
maybe it was locked and you gave him the code.
It doesn't matter either way, you're enormously negligent and
totally guilty of this crime at least.
I mean there's such monsters, there's no end to it.
Look every, it's kind of a weird circus is so serious, but their excuses are so lame.
It's hard not to make fun of dragon with the girl tattoo road and
they remember here when caught red handed I wasn't stealing a cookie,
I was putting it back, right?
Now, no one believes you, and guys,
the most important part of this is that it's not a random case.
Okay, this is gun culture in America, there are tons and there are millions of
Americans who think, your 15 year olds, of course you give them weapons,
you know, for hunting and for government tyranny and to protect themselves.
And then, if they see anything
fishy, 15, who cares?
You're mature, you're not mature, guns are awesome.
Guns are the best, if you think I'm exaggerating, you don't live in America.
Everybody who lives in America knows that's absolutely true that people
definitely believe that.
And so that's why America is an incredibly dangerous place.
You should honestly be, if you're thinking of visiting here, you should think twice,
this is a deeply violent country that celebrates this kind of gun culture.