>> PRESIDENT OBAMA ANNOUNCED EARLIER TODAY THAT THE
KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE HAS BEEN REJECTED.
HERE'S THE PRESIDENT ANNOUNCING THAT.
>>THIS MORNING SECRETARY KERRY INFORMED ME THAT AFTER EXTENSIVE
PUBLIC OUTREACH AND CONSULTATION WITH OTHER CABINET AGENCIES, THE
STATE DEPARTMENT HAS DECIDED THAT THE KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE
WOULD NOT SERVE THE NATIONAL INTERESTS OF THE UNITED STATES.
I AGREE WITH THAT DECISION.
>> THAT IS AS DRAMATIC AS HE GETS, BECAUSE HE PAUSED AND
EMPHASIZED THE NOT.
BUT I FIND THIS POLITICALLY EXCITING, HE
MAKES IT SOUND SO DREARY.
DROP THE ELBOW.
TO ALL THESE PEOPLE
WHO WANTED KEYSTONE, GONE.
>> HE SAID THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS DECIDED.
REGARDLESS, IT IS NOT HAPPENING.
>> I WAS WRONG ABOUT THIS, I HAVE LOST MONEY ON THIS.
I WANT
TO CONGRATULATE EVERYBODY WHO WAS RIGHT ABOUT THIS, WE WILL GET TO
THAT IN A SECOND.
TO BE FAIR TO HIM, HE DID SAY THE STATE
DEPARTMENT WOULD BE MAKING THAT DECISION BECAUSE THE KEYSTONE
PIPELINE CROSSES A BORDER, SO THE STATE DEPARTMENT WAS ALWAYS
GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION.
SO HE HAS TO SAY THAT.
WE HAVE ONE MORE FROM OBAMA, THEN WE WILL GET INTO WHY
HE TURNED IT DOWN.
>>FOR YEARS, THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE HAS OCCUPIED WHAT I HAVE
CONSIDERED AN OVERINFLATED ROLE IN OUR POLITICAL DISCOURSE.
LET
ME BRIEFLY COMMENT ON SOME OF THE REASONS WHY THE STATE
DEPARTMENT REJECTED THE PIPELINE.
FIRST, THE PIPELINE
WOULD NOT MAKE A MEANINGFUL LONG-TERM CONTRIBUTION TO OUR
ECONOMY.
SECOND, THE PIPELINE WOULD NOT LOWER GAS PRICES FOR
AMERICAN CONSUMERS.
IN FACT, GAS PRICES HAVE ALREADY BEEN FALLING STEADILY.
>> THAT IS RIGHT.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE
BEEN SAYING ON THE SHOW FOR A LONG TIME, AND HE ELABORATED
OVERALL IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE WHEN HE EXPLAINED, THE PIPELINE
COMES THROUGH THE U.S. AND GOES OUT THE GULF TO OTHER COUNTRIES,
SO IT DOES NOT AFFECT GAS PRICES IN THE U.S. ON DAY ONE WE WERE
LIKE, IT IS NOT FOR US.
THERE IS A REASON IT GOES TO THE GULF, SO
IT CAN LEAVE.
DOES SOME OF IT STAY HERE?
OF COURSE.
THAT IS
BECAUSE WE BUY OIL IN AN INTERNATIONAL MARKET.
IT IS A
DROP IN THE BUCKET OF THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET, NOT
JUST THE U.S.
OR NORTH AMERICAN MARKET.
THAT IS WHAT HE IS ALLUDING TO.
>>TO BE FAIR, SOME WOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE U.S. WHEN IT
SPRUNG LEAKS AND DESTROYED HUGE SWATHS OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN THAT FREE OF CHARGE.
>>WE WOULD'VE HAD TO PAY FOR THE CLEANUP.
>>THAT IS TRUE.
NOT FREE.
>>YOU ARE TELLING ME, CENK, THAT OIL THAT COMES FROM CANADA, GOES
IN A PIPE TO THE GULF OF MEXICO, AND GETS PUT ON A SHIP AND GOES
TO ANOTHER COUNTRY WHERE IT GETS BURNED AND TURNED INTO ENERGY --
NONE OF THAT MONEY COMES TO US?
>>THEY SAY, LOOK, WE WOULD HAVE BUILT THE PIPELINE, THAT WOULD
HAVE BEEN JOBS.
IN A SENSE THAT IS MONEY COMING TO US.
IT
CREATES ALL THESE JOBS, THEN YOU FIND OUT THERE ARE LIKE 35 JOBS.
THERE WERE NOT THAT MANY JOBS CREATED.
>>PERMANENT JOBS.
>>PERMANENT, ALMOST NONE.
EVEN TEMPORARILY, NOT THAT MANY.
NOT
AS MUCH AS ADVERTISED.
IT IS CANADA'S OIL, THEIR RESOURCE,
THEY ARE SELLING IT TO US AS WELL AS OTHER MARKETS.
BUT THEY
SELL IT IN THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET.
WE ARE NOT GETTING A
BETTER PRICE FOR IT, IT IS NOT LIKE, THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE
PIPELINE GO THROUGH YOUR LAND, AMERICAN CONSUMERS, YOU WILL GET
THE GAS $.10 CHEAPER.
THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
THERE ARE
OTHER CONTRACTS INVOLVED IN THE PIPELINE WHERE SOME PEOPLE GET
PAID OUT, BUT IT IS A MINIMAL IMPACT ON US.
THE MAIN IMPACT
WOULD BE GAS PRICES, AND IT WOULD HARDLY MOVE THE NEEDLE AT
ALL.
>>THE TWO BIG LIES WERE JOBS AND OIL PRICES, AND HOW AS OIL
PRICES ESCALATE -- AND THESE ARE THE TWO LIES THAT ARE CONSTANTLY
FLOATED WHEN IT COMES TO DRILLING AND EXPLORATION.
JOBS,
AND WE HAVE TO BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT.
SOMEHOW THIS GOT
FOLDED INTO THAT AS WELL.
IT MAKES NO SENSE.
IF YOU LOOK AT
THE SUPERFICIAL ASPECTS IT IS JUST A PIPELINE PASSING THROUGH.
BUT IT IS THE SAME LIE REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
SO I WOULD
SAY, KEEP YOUR EYE ON THAT LIE.
IT IS ALWAYS LOADED.
EXPLORATION
IN THE GULF, THE ARCTIC, WHATEVER THE PROJECT IS, IT WILL
BRING OIL INTO THE U.S. AND MAKE FOR U.S. JOBS.
GENERALLY IT IS
NOT TRUE.
THE LIE HERE WAS REVEALED ONLY BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH
ENVIRONMENTAL OUTRAGE.
>>SPEAKING OF WHICH, I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO THOSE BRAVE
FIGHTERS WHO FOUGHT HONESTLY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, LET ALONE
REPUBLICANS, ON THIS.
IF THEY HAD NOT FOUGHT, THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE APPROVED THIS TWO YEARS AGO.
THEY WERE
READY TO APPROVE IT, EVERY SINGLE SIGN POINTED TO APPROVAL.
BILL MCKIBBEN, 350.ORG --
>> THE SIERRA CLUB, JAMES HANSEN FOR THE GODDARD INSTITUTE AT
NASA, HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST IN 2011 WHO RAISED PUBLIC AWARENESS
OF THE PIPELINE, THE NATIONAL NATURAL RESOURCE DEFENSE
COUNCIL, AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN LOBBYING AGAINST THAT FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS.
>>I WANT TO NOT ONLY GIVE THEM TREMENDOUS CREDIT, BECAUSE THEY
MADE THIS HAPPEN -- WITHOUT THEM THERE IS NO WAY THIS GOES DOWN
THE WAY IT DID.
SECOND OF ALL, I WILL EAT SOME CROW BECAUSE I DID
NOT THINK THEY COULD PULL IT OFF.
I THOUGHT THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION WAS SET ON MAKING IT HAPPEN, I BELIEVE OBAMA IS
FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE IN HIS PRINCIPLES AND IS READY TO PLAY
BALL WITH ALMOST ANY CORPORATION YOU PUT OUT THERE IN FRONT OF
HIM.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE TPP, TRANSPACIFIC PARTNERSHIP,
AND I THOUGHT HE WOULD DO THE SAME THING HERE HE HAS DONE ON
ALMOST EVERY ISSUE.
I EVEN MADE A BET WITH OUR PRODUCER, JAYAR
JACKSON, $20, I JUST LOST TODAY.
AND I ALWAYS SAY, I HOPE I AM WRONG.
YES, I WAS WRONG.
THAT IS THE BEST $20 I WILL EVER SPEND,
JAYAR WINNING THAT BET.
AND THOSE GUYS MADE IT HAPPEN, THE
PEOPLE JOHN TALKED ABOUT.
MCKIBBEN WAS A HUGE FACTOR.
THE
REASON THEY WON IS THAT THEY FOUGHT, DELAYED SO LONG, THAT
OBAMA, WHO IS USED TO CONCEDING TO REPUBLICANS, GOT TO A POINT
IN HIS SECOND TERM WHERE HE IS LIKE, THERE IS NO POINT IN
CONCEDING ANY MORE.
THEY ARE NOT GIVING ME ANYTHING, THERE IS NO
HOPE THEY EVER WILL, SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF CONCEDING?
AND YOU
KNOW WHAT?
I KIND OF DON'T LIKE THEM.
>> HE IS CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS LEGACY.
>>AND IT DELAYED IT LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO PARTLY AFFECT THE NEXT
ELECTION A LITTLE BIT.
AND HILLARY CLINTON HAS SAID BECAUSE OF THE
PUBLIC PRESSURE, SHE IS TRYING TO WIN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, SHE
IS AGAINST THE PIPELINE.
SO FOR A NUMBER OF FACTORS, THAT DELAY
WOUND UP EXTENDING THE FIGHT LONG ENOUGH TO WIN.
IMPROBABLE, BUT THAT IS WHY YOU FIGHT.
BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW.