>>> WHEN YOU LIFT UP THE
ECONOMIC STATUS OF WOMEN, YOU
LIFT UP THE ECONOMIC STATUS OF
FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES AND ALL
OF SOCIETY.
BUT YET IN AMERICA TODAY, WOMEN
FOR THE SAME WORK, FOR THE EQUAL
WORK ON AVERAGE MAKE 80 CENTS ON
THE DOLLAR.
KRISTINA: 2020 HOPEFUL SENATOR
KAMALA HARRIS TAKING AIM AT THE
PAY GAP BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN AT
MAJOR AMERICAN COMPANIES.
SHE'S MAKING IT A FOCAL POINT OF
HER CAMPAIGN.
NOW RELEASING A PLAN TO COMBAT
THE ISSUE BY FINING CORPORATIONS
1% OF THEIR PROFITS FOR EVERY 1%
IN THE WAGE GAP BETWEEN WORKERS
OF EQUAL VALUE.
SHE SAYS THAT THIS COULD
GENERATE ROUGHLY $180 BILLION
OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS AND LIZ,
I'M GOING TO GO TO YOU FIRST.
I WANT TO KNOW DO YOU BELIEVE
THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO
TACKLE THIS ISSUE, IF YOU EVEN
THINK IT'S AN ISSUE.
>> A, I THINK THE ISSUE IS WAY
OVERBLOWN BUT B, THIS IS NOT THE
WAY TO TACKLE IT.
SHE WANTS TO IMPOSE A GIANT NEW
COMPLIANCE REGIMEN ON
CORPORATIONS IMPOSING ALL KINDS
OF COSTS AND REGULATORY RED TAPE
ON COMPANIES WHICH WE'RE TRYING
TO REMOVE RED TAPE FROM THE
ECONOMY SO IT BEGINS TO GROW
FASTER.
THERE IS ALREADY A LAW IN THE
LAND THAT EQUAL PAY MUST ATTACH
TO EQUAL WORK.
WOMEN CAN SUE, THEY CAN BRING
THESE CHARGES FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW A MAJOR CORPORATION
THAT IS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS
AND VERY VIGILANT IN TRYING TO
REDUCE WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A
PAY GAP.
THE PAY GAP RESULTS FROM ALL
KINDS OF THINGS IN WOMEN'S LIVES
INCLUDING TAKING A TIME-OUT TO
HAVE CHILDREN OR TO, YOU KNOW,
CARE FOR AN AGED PARENT, ET
CETERA.
IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT
FIXING IT.
>> WHAT NERVE, WHAT UNBELIEVABLE
NERVE.
I MEAN, DICTATOR MIGHT BE TOO
STRONG WITH THESE LEFTISTS WHO
WANT TO COME IN AND FORCE, I
MEAN, AGAIN, A TAX, A FINE,
THAT'S FORCE, THAT'S A GUN
POINTED AT PRIVATE COMPANIES,
FORCE THEM TO DO BUSINESS HOW
THEY WANT TO DO IT, PAY THEIR
EMPLOYEES HOW MUCH THESE PEOPLE
WANT TO -- IT'S EASY TO PAY
EMPLOYEES HIGHER WAGES WHEN IT'S
NOT YOUR MONEY.
WE TALK ABOUT A FREE COUNTRY, IT
MEANS FREE FROM GOVERNMENT AND I
JUST THINK IT'S A TREMENDOUS
INSULT.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AFFIRMATIVE
ACTION FOR WOMEN.
WHAT AN INSULT TO WOMEN TO SAY
OH, WE'RE GOING TO FORCE
EMPLOYERS TO GIVE YOU A HIGHER
WAGE INSTEAD OF EARNING IT ON
YOUR OWN.
KRISTINA: IF YOU WERE MAKING
$100,000 OR $200,000 LESS THAN A
FEMALE COUNTERPART, WOULD YOU BE
ANGRY IF YOU WERE DOING THE
EXACT SAME THING AND HAD THE
EXACT SAME EDUCATION?
>> I WAS DOING THE SAME THING, I
WOULD BE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT.
I WOULD BE MAKING IT.
KRISTINA: THAT IS OFTEN NOT THE
CASE.
>> WE THE PEOPLE CONTINUES TO
SHRINK EVERY TIME I WATCH THESE
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES.
JUST GO AND LISTEN TO THEIR
SPEECHES.
IT'S ANOTHER FEE, ANOTHER FINE,
ANOTHER RULE, ANOTHER MANDATE,
ANOTHER REGULATION, ANOTHER TAX.
IT NEVER ENDS.
THEY WANT TO RUN EVERYTHING IN
OUR LIFE AND IF THEY DEEM IT
UNFAIR, THEY ARE GOING TO FINE
YOU AND TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM
YOU.
THEY DON'T GENERATE THE MONEY
FROM YOU.
THEY CONFISCATE THE MONEY.
I WISH THEY WOULD JUST STOP AND
REMEMBER THOSE THREE WORDS, WE
THE PEOPLE.
THAT'S THE GREATNESS OF THE
COUNTRY, NOT WE THE GOVERNMENT.
>> CONTRAST THIS WITH WHAT
IVANKA TRUMP IS DOING, USING HER
PLATFORM INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE
TO WORK WITH COMPANIES TO
ADDRESS INEQUALITY ISSUES, TO
HELP RAISE THE TRAINING, THE
EDUCATION, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
WOMEN, FOR MINORITIES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, AND ACTUALLY AROUND THE
GLOBE.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK
TOGETHER, NOT COME DOWN FROM THE
TOP DOWN AND AS THE GOVERNMENT
TO THE EARLIER POINTS, TO TAX AT
THE POINT OF A GUN TO SAY YOU
SHALL DO THIS OR WE SHALL TAKE
YOUR MONEY FROM YOU, AND SPEND
IT BETTER ON YOUR BEHALF.
IT'S JUST SUCH AN INTERESTING
CASE TO SHOW HOW THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION IS USING THIS AND
HOW KAMALA HARRIS IS DOING IT.
KRISTINA: I THINK ACTUALLY THE
ENTIRE PANEL KIND OF AGREES WITH
THIS, THAT ENFORCING REGULATION
IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD THING
BUT TO THE POINT, IF WE WANT TO
KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, SHOULD
THERE BE FULL TRANSPARENCY SO AT
LEAST WE KNOW THAT A MAN IS NOT
MAKING MORE THAN A WOMAN WITH
THE SAME QUALITY EDUCATION, ET
CETERA?
>> I THINK THOSE COMPANIES
PROVIDE A GREAT DEAL OF
TRANSPARENCY TODAY.
AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IF
YOU COMPARE TWO PEOPLE, A LOT OF
IT HAS TO DO WITH LONGEVITY, HAS
TO DO WITH HOW MANY YEARS, IN
OTHER WORDS, A PERSON HAS BEEN
IN A COMPANY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL DATA,
I REALLY JUST DON'T -- I REALLY
DISAGREE WITH KAMALA HARRIS THAT
THIS IS A BIG ISSUE AND I
DEFINITELY DISAGREE WITH THE 20
CENT DIFFERENCE.
THAT IS MORE THAN PEOPLE WERE
TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
I CANNOT IMAGINE WITH ALL THE
LAWS OUT THERE THAT IT'S
ACTUALLY GOTTEN WORSE.
KRISTINA: JONATHAN, GO AHEAD.
I KNOW YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING
QUICKLY.
>> VERY BRIEFLY, EVEN IF MEN DO
MAKE MORE THAN WOMEN, AND I
MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN
SOMEHOW RUN THE STATISTICS
EITHER WAY, IT'S SIMPLY NOT THE
ROLE OF GOVERNMENT TO
MICROMANAGE THE ECONOMY, TO
MICROMANAGE THOSE CHANGES.
ACTUALLY, I THINK IT DOES A REAL
DISSERVICE TO PEOPLE TO GET A
HIGHER WAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE
SKIN COLOR OR GENDER.
YOU HAVE TO EARN THAT VALUE FOR
IT TO REALLY MEAN SOMETHING.
AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT'S AN
INSULT TO ANY WOMAN TO SAY I'M
GOING TO GIVE YOU A WAGE BECAUSE
YOU ARE A BETTER EMPLOYEE OR
WORKED HARDER.