>>> LOOK, FROM EVERYTHING I SEE HAS NO RESPECT FOR THIS PERSON.
>> WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE HE'D RATHER HAVE A PUPPET AS
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. >> NO PUPPET.
YOU'RE THE PUPPET. >> IT'S CLEAR YOU WON'T ADMIT
THE RUSSIANS HAVE ENGAGED IN CYBERATTACKS AGAINST THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA THAT YOU ENCOURAGED ESPIONAGE AGAINST OUR
PEOPLE, THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO SPOUT THE PUTIN LINE, SIGN UP
FOR HIS WISH LIST, BREAK UP NATO, DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO
DO. AND THAT YOU CONTINUE TO GET
HELP FROM HIM BECAUSE HE HAS A VERY CLEAR FAVORITE IN THIS
RACE. >> DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'SENT'S
REPEATED ASSERTION THE RUSSIA STORY IS JUST A POST-ELECTION
RATIONALE FOR HILLARY CLINTON'S LOSS, CLINTON HERSELF WERE VERY
CLEARLY TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE TRUMP/RUSSIA CONNECTION BACK
WHEN SHE STILL THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION.
AND TODAY, SIX MONTHS AFTER HER HISTORIC LOSS, SHE'S STILL
TALKING ABOUT IT, IN A PROFILE IN "NEW YORK" MAGAZINE THAT WHAT
I WAS DOING, I WAS WORKING. I WOULD HAVE WON HAD I NOT BEEN
SUBJECTED TO THE UNPRECEDENTED ATTACKS BY COMEY AND THE
RUSSIANS AIDED AND ABETTED. IT'S A GREAT PIECE.
I READ IT IN ONE SINGLE SITTING. IT STRIKES ME.
I WAS GOING BACK. AND IT WAS STRIKING HOW MUCH
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND FREAKING
OUT ABOUT IT TO THE EXTENT I FELT AT THE TIME WAS TOO MUCH, I
THINK. >> BOTH PRE AND POST-ELECTION
THEY'VE GOTTEN THE RAP FOR IT BEING TOO MUCH.
PRE-ELECTION, STOP FOCUSSING ON THIS.
ESPECIALLY FROM THE LEFT. THIS WAS A WEIRD CONSPIRACY
THEORY AND IT WAS TAKING AH WAY FROM WHAT WE SHOULD REALLY BE
TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT'S -- THERE'S A REAL ARGUMENT BEHIND
THAT. >> IN TERMS OF POLITICALLY,
RIGHT. >> WHY ISN'T SHE MAKING A
POSITIVE CASE FOR HERSELF. THOSE ARE THE CRITIQUES BEFORE
THE ELECTION. NOW THE ELECTION HAS HAPPENED.
THERE'S INCREASED EVIDENCE A LOT OF THE STUFF SHE WAS SAYING
BEFORE THE ELECTION WAS PRESCIENT AND PRETTY WELL
INFORMED. NOW STOP MAKING THIS EXCUSE FOR
WHY YOU LOST. ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ELECTION,
HER TALKING ABOUT RUSSIA ISN'T RECEIVED VERY WARMLY.
>> SO ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKED IS THAT THE HILLARY CLINTON THAT
COMES ACROSS IN THAT PIECE IS THE CLOSEST IN PRINT RENDERING
OF THE HILLARY CLINTON I'VE HEARD ABOUT FROM PEOPLE THAT
WORK WITH HER. >> RIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SEEMS CLEAR IS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
THE BLAME GAME AND WHETHER SHE'S TAKING RESPONSIBILITY, LIKE SHE
AND THE PEOPLE AROUND HER FEEL LIKE THEY WERE ROBBED.
>> YES. >> THAT'S THE TWEET LENGTH
VERSION OF HOW THEY FEEL IT WENT.
>> BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALONE.
>> I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE. OBVIOUSLY, THEY THINK THEY MADE
MISTAKES. EVERYONE DOES.
BUT IF YOU GOT JOBBED BY A HORRIBLE CALL AT THE END OF A
GAME, THAT IS FUNDAMENTAL LIE HOW THEY HAVE PROCESSED THIS
ELECTION. HOW SHE HAS.
>> CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR SAID SOMETHING IN MY PIECE WHERE SHE
SAYS EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT COMEY.
WHY ISN'T HILLARY CLINTON ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT COMEY.
WHEN SHE DOES TALK ABOUT RUSSIA OR COMEY, PEOPLE PILE ON AND SAY
SHE'S MAKING EXCUSES. WHY IS SHE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
SHE'S NOT BLAMING HERSELF. THE FACT IS MANY PEOPLE, MANY OF
US, MANY IN THE MEDIA ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
NATE SILVER HAS DONE LENGTHY ANALYSIS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY
WHAT LED TO MY LOSS. AND THE THING ABOUT THIS
ELECTION, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE IS THAT THE WIN/LOSS
IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE CAMEE DOWN TO 77,000 VOTES.
THAT MEANS THAT WHATEVER YOU THINK CAUSED IT, DID.
YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M RIGHT.
SHE'S RIGHT. EVERYBODY ELSE IS RIGHT.
>> THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT. >> AND SO -- BUT THERE IS THIS
SENSE THAT LIKE, IF SHE TALKS ABOUT THE THING THAT SHE
BELIEVES CAUSED IT, WHICH IS COMEY AND RUSSIA, THEN THAT
IS -- THAT'S INVALID IN A WAY. >> BUT THE REASON THAT I THINK
PART OF WHY THIS IS SO FRAUGHT, PART YF THERE'S SUCH A FIGHT
OVER THIS IS BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THAT FOR A DEBATE ABOUT
WHAT THE CORE MESSAGE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS THAT THERE'S
TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. ONE IS THAT WE DID NOT -- OUR
CANDIDATE AND CAMPAIGN DIDN'T TALK ENOUGH ABOUT THE KITCHEN
TABLE ISSUES THAT WOULD APPEAL TO THOSE ACROSS THE GREATER
INDUSTRIAL MIDWEST. THE OTHER IS WE DID ASSEMBLE THE
BIGGEST COALITION AND THEN GOT
JOBBED BY THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT. >> THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND THAT
GETS LOST. IT'S ABOUT A MESSAGING FAILURE
IN PART. SO A LOT OF CRITICISM CLINTON
GOT IS SHE WAS RUNNING THESE ADS WARNING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.
THE STUFF ABOUT I.C.E., THE DEPORTATIONS, THAT GUTTING AD
ABOUT THE CHILD AT THE END OF THE ELECTION SAYING, CAN WE
STAY? AND THIS IS A CRITICISM THAT I
HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH. YOU AREN'T LAYING OUT A POSITIVE
ARGUMENT FOR YOUR OWN ADMINISTRATION.
YOU ARE JUST WARNING US ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.
SO SHE WAS SIMULTANEOUSLY PRESCIENT AND CORRECT ABOUT
TRUMP. AT THE SAME TIME SHE WAS NOT
GETTING ACROSS THAT MESSAGE OF WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT PART OF WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO AND
WHAT -- AND I DIDN'T WRITE ABOUT THIS IN MY PIECE THOUGH I TALKED
TO HER ABOUT IT. SHE HAD ALL KINDS OF POLICIES
SHE WAS VERYRY INTERESTED IN REGARDING THE WHITE WORKING
CLASS AND THAT GOT SOME AIR BUT BAD AIR DURING THE PRIMARIES.
WHEN SHE WENT TO COAL COUNTRY, SHE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT
RETRAINING COAL MINERS. POLICIES THAT ADDRESS THE OPIOID
ADDICTION. THAT STUFF WASN'T GETTING THE
POSITIVE AIRING AND MESSAGING AT THE END IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
>> HAVING SPENT ALL THIS TIME WITH HER, WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE
UNDERSTANDS AS HER ROLE RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING. SHE'S EXPERIMENTING WITH A NEW
ROLE ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF POLITICS.
AND THAT'S ONE THING SHE'S OFTEN CRITICIZED AS THE SORT OF
CONSUMMATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY INSIDER AS A FIRST LADY, A
SENATOR, A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
SHE HAS TALKED ABOUT HERSELF AS AN ACTIVIST CITIZEN.
SHE'S TALKED ABOUT HERSELF AS A MEMBER OF THE RESISTANCE.
SHE'S POSITIONING HERSELF EXPERIMENTALLY, I THINK, THIS IS
MY TAKE, AS SOMEBODY WHO IS OPPOSING FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SHE'S NOT THE CANDIDATE. SHE SAID SEVERAL TIMES, I'M NOT
RUNNING. I'M NOT THE CANDIDATE.
BUT SHE'S REDIRECTING USING THIS C4 THING SHE SET UP.
SHE'S DIRECTING FUNDS INTO RESISTANCE ORGANIZATIONS.
>> IT'S A FASCINATING CHAPTER AND REBECCA TRACER WHO IS JUST A
MASTER AT THESE SORTS OF THINGS