THIS PERSON AS QUICKLY AS
POSSIBLE.
WE’LL GET BACK TO BRYAN AS
DEVELOPMENTS WARRANT.
RIGHT NOW, RAY KELLY, FORMER NEW
YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONERS.
IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME.
SO, ALL OF THIS VIOLENCE ON NEW
YORK CITY SUBWAYS SINCE COVID
HIT.
THE MAYOR DECLARED IN RECENT
WEEKS 0 TOLERANCE FOR CRIME
AFTER THE POOR WOMAN WAS PUSHED
IN FRONT OF A SUBWAY TRAIN
FATALLY, AND ANOTHER FELLOW WAS
PUSHED AND SURVIVED AND NOW
THIS. YOUR THOUGHTS IN THIS MOMENT?
YOUR THOUGHTS IN THIS MOMENT?
>> WELL, IT LOOKS TO ME,
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED MORE
INFORMATION BUT POSSIBLY
DERANGED INFORMATION.
THE CRIME, ROBBERIES, CAR THEFTS
AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO RIGHT NOW THIS COULD BE JUST
A ONE-OFF WITH, YOU KNOW,
MENTALLY DISTURBED PERSON.
WE HAVE TO SEE.
DON’T HAVE THAT MUCH
INFORMATION, QUITE FRANKLY.
WE HAVE BALLISTICS INFORMATION
APPARENTLY BECAUSE SHELL CASINGS
ON THE TRAIN, WHICH INDICATED
WHAT THE WEAPON WAS THAT HE
USED.
AT LEAST WHAT THE CALIBER OF THE
WEAPON.
SO, THIS INVESTIGATION HAS A
WAYS TO GO.
>> Gillian: SIR, THIS IS GILLIAN
TURNER WITH JOHN.
TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT WE DO KNOW
ABOUT THE NEW YORK CITY SUBWAY
SYSTEM.
THE SYSTEM ITSELF, INDEED THE
VERY CARS, A LOT OF THEM
OUTFITTED TO HELP PROTECT
PEOPLE, AND SERVE THEM IN
EMERGENCY SCENARIOS JUST LIKE
THE ONE WE SAW THIS MORNING.
HOW IS IT SUPPOSED TO WORK WHEN
THERE IS AN ACTIVE SHOOTER ON
THE TRAIN?
>> WELL YOU KNOW, CONCERN ABOUT
WHETHER THIS INDIVIDUAL GOT ON.
THERE ARE 472 STATIONS IN THE
NEW YORK CITY SUBWAY SYSTEM.
THE SECOND LARGEST IN THE WORLD
NEXT TO MOSCOW, AND BEFORE
PANDEMIC CARRIED 10 MILLION
PEOPLE A DAY.
SO IT’S A BIG COMPLEX SYSTEM.
IN TERMS OF ACTIVE SHOOTER IS
CONCERNED, THERE ARE LOTS OF
CAMERAS IN THE SUBWAY SYSTEM BUT
NOT EVERY STATION HAS CAMERAS,
I’M NOT CERTAIN ABOUT 36 STREET
AS TO WHETHER THEY HAD
FUNCTIONING CAMERAS THERE.
WHAT THE POLICE WILL BE DOING,
OF COURSE, LOOKING FOR CAMERAS
IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
THEY ARE NOT CERTAIN WHETHER OR
NOT THE INDIVIDUAL GOT ON THE
TRAIN OR ESCAPED TO THE STREET.
THESE THINGS ARE UNDER
INVESTIGATION.
IT MAY TAKE A WHILE TO FIGURE
THIS OUT.
>> John: OUR UNDERSTANDING, RAY,
IS THAT THERE WAS A CLOSED
CIRCUIT TELEVISION CAMERA IN
THAT 36TH STREET STATION BUT
ACCORDING TO REPORTS THAT WE
HAVE HAD FROM ERIC SHAWN, YOU
KNOW HIM WELL, A GREAT REPORTER,
APPARENTLY THE CAMERA IS NOT
WORKING AT THIS MOMENT.
SO WE DON’T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY
FOOTAGE THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE
FROM THE PLATFORM AS THE TRAIN
PULLED IN.
BUT I MEAN, YOU USED TO RUN THE
NEW YORK CITY POLICE FORCE.
THEY CAN DO MIRACULOUS THINGS
WHEN THEY PUT THEIR MINDS TO IT.
DO YOU EXPECT THAT THEY ARE
GOING TO APPREHEND THIS SUSPECT?
>> I DO.
I THINK THE TIPS HOTLINE WILL BE
VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE.
THIS IS A VISUAL, APPARENTLY,
HAD A MASK ON, DID HE RUN ALONG
THE STREET, DID PEOPLE SEE
SOMEONE ACTING ERRATICALLY,
THAT’S SORT OF INFORMATION.
IT’S NOT EASY TO GET GAS
CANISTERS.
WHO SELLS THEM, WHERE ARE THEY
AVAILABLE, THAT SORT OF
INFORMATION I THINK WILL LEAD TO
THE APPREHENSION OF THIS, OF
THIS INDIVIDUAL.
NYPD IS VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY
DO, AND THEY HAVE INFORMANTS,
THEY HAVE OTHER SOURCES OF
INFORMATION FROM ALL SORTS OF
AGENCIES.
I THINK THIS WILL BE SOLVED BUT
CANNOT PUT A TIMETABLE ON IT.
>> Gillian: TO THAT POINT, SIR,
NO ONE KNOWS THE SUBWAY MAP,
INDEED THE CITY MAP BETTER THAN
YOU.
WHERE DO YOU THINK POLICE ARE
LOOKING FOR THIS SUSPECT RIGHT
NOW?
>> WELL, IT’S DIFFICULT TO SAY.
I DON’T KNOW IF THEY HAVE
RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION ON THE
TIPS HOTLINE.
I WOULD SAY THOSE TIPS WOULD BE
SIGNIFICANT.
YOU CAN GET LOTS OF THOSE TIPS
THAT ARE WRONG, NO QUESTION
ABOUT IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE
FOLLOWED UP ON AND I WOULD SAY,
I DON’T KNOW WHY THEY CLOSED
DOWN THAT AREA, THAT 10 OR
20-BLOCK AREA.
THEY MAY HAVE HAD SOME
INFORMATION THAT SOME SORT OF
SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY IN THAT
AREA, APPARENTLY THEY HAVE
OPENED IT UP NOW.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS
CASE.
A LOT OF AVENUES TO EXPLORE AND
THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING RIGHT
NOW.
>> John: YOU KNOW, RAY, SUBWAY
CRIME BACK IN THE 1970S, 1980S,
WAS A HUGE PROBLEM.
YOU HELPED ALONG WITH YOUR
SUCCESSORS TO CLEAN UP THE
STREETS, TO RESTORE A LOT OF
FAITH IN PUBLIC TRANSIT THERE IN NEW YORK.
NEW YORK.
WE HAVE SEEN A DECLINATION SINCE
CRIME INCREASED ON THE SUBWAYS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IT’S GOING TO
DO IN TERMS OF PERCEPTION TAKING
THE NEW YORK CITY SUBWAY?
>> IT’S NOT GOING TO STRENGTHEN
CONFIDENCE IN THE SAFETY OF THE
SUBWAY SYSTEM, THAT’S FOR SURE.
WE KNOW RIDERSHIP IS DOWN ABOUT
50% FROM PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS.
THIS IS ONLY GOING TO HURT AS
FAR AS GETTING RIDERSHIP BACK ON
THE SYSTEM.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE TRANSIT
POLICE ON THE SUBWAY PLATFORM
RATHER THAN UP IN THE MEZZANINE.
I THINK WE NEED THEM TO BE MORE
VISIBLE.
THE RIDING PUBLIC HAS TO GAIN
SOME CONFIDENCE THAT THE SAFETY
IS INCREASING IN THE SYSTEM.
RIGHT NOW THAT’S NOT THE CASE.
SO I THINK MORE PRESENCE AND ON
THE PLATFORMS THEMSELVES WOULD
MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
>> John: WE THINK ABOUT PREVIOUS
EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ON
PUBLIC TRANSIT, RAY, IN A MOMENT
LIKE THIS, AND THE CLOSEST
INCIDENT THAT I COULD COME TO TO
COMPARE THIS TO WOULD BE WHAT
HAPPENED IN 1993, AND THAT
HORRIFIC SHOOTING BY COLIN
FERGUSON OUT IN THE LONG ISLAND
RAILROAD, WHICH SIX WERE KILLED
AND 19 OTHERS INJURED.
THANKFULLY NO ONE HAS DIED IN
THIS INCIDENT.
BUT WHAT YOU SAID INITIALLY THIS
COULD HAVE BEEN AN ACT OF A
DERANGED INDIVIDUAL.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
LONG ISLAND RAILROAD.
WHAT DRIVES SOMEBODY TO COMMIT A
HEINOUS CRIME LIKE THIS?
>> WE JUST SIMPLY DON’T KNOW.
WHAT WE KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO NEED MENTAL HEALTH
RESOURCES ON THE STREETS OF NEW
YORK CITY.
IT’S A HUGE PROBLEM AND HAS TO
BE ADDRESSED HEAD ON.
ALL YOU DO IS WALK DOWN THE
STREET IN MIDTOWN MANHATTAN AND
YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE FOLKS.
SO IT IS A SOCIETAL PROBLEM AS
MUCH AS NEW YORK.
BUT NEW YORK HAS A FAIR SHARE OF
IT.
PEOPLE HAVE TO BE -- SOME PEOPLE
HAVE TO BE INSTITUTIONALIZED.
YOU JUST NEED MORE BED SPACE FOR
THEM, FOR THEIR OWN GOOD, TO
HELP THEM.
ABOUT YOU RIGHT PEOPLE ARE
STAYING AWAY FROM NEW YORK AND