things. If I got it wrong, then I apologise to the member but
my
particular comment from Tracey Martin. Question number 11, Jonathan
Young.
My
My question is to the Minister of
by all her answers to Oral Question No. 10
by all her answers to Oral Question
The
The Hon
The Hon Dr Megan Woods. Yes n the context they were given. So when the
minister said
Government is intent on building a resilient energy system with
more resilient forms of
renewable
renewable generation will be needed to reliably replace coal,
gas and
makes it clear that we roughly need to double the
amount of electricity generation in this country. That
equates to a very achievable target
of around the equivalent of
4.5 wind farms per year. I would point that
member to the very good
decision that Genesis Energy have made
in recent weeks to build 100 megawatt
wind farm in Taranaki as
a sign of the good things to come.
the good things to come. This question was, I think,
relatively simple. The minister
has talked for weeks
about the transition away from
fossil fuels. She ought to know what coal,
gas and diesel represents. Order! Does
the member have
diesel represents. Order! Does the
fact that the member doesn't like the answer is not a point of order.
She didn't answer
the question. I asked how many megawatts in
renewable generation would be needed
to replace those elements that
exist today. I think the minister
did say that
that renewable generation would have to double.
to double. Mr Speaker, point of order.
What you will find in the Hansard is
that the minister said that the Trans Power
report says that electricity
generation needs to double by
2050. It does not exclude those
other sources of generation
that are not sources of generation that are not
renewable. That is why the question
has been specifically asked of
the minister today. It's
an important one.
one. Ask
one. Ask the question again. When the
minister said yes,
is intent on building a resilient energy system with more resilient
forms of
energy system with more resilient
megawatts of new renewable generation will be needed
to reliably replace
reliably replace current coal, gas and
reliably replace current coal, gas
As I said in the previous answer, the Trans Power report, which talks
not just about electricity
but the current needs of the energy
system, talks to a doubling of the
need for generation. That's in order to make
that transition towards a low carbon
system. That equates to around 0.
that transition towards a low carbon
4.5 wind farms per year equivalent of which the member should take
great comfort,
great comfort, Genesis Energy announced a building
great comfort, Genesis Energy announced a building of a 100
megawatt
announced a building of a 100
electorate of Taranaki. Point of order. I think
the minister demonstrated the point by repeating
that the TTrans
demonstrated the point by repeating that the TTrans Power
report says doubling of
doubling of New Zealand's requirements and a lot of it at the
moment does come
the renewable sources out, what do we
the renewable sources out, what do
does not give us that figure. And that's absolutely right. It
doesn't give that figure and if
the minister, if the member, wants
specific figures like that,
he should set up as primary questions
in order to eloose date them.
in order to eloose date them.
Zealanders be confident in her assurances that there will be no
energy supply gap when she
doesn't know what investment is needed
to
Mr Speaker, we can have confidence, because as I talked about in the
reading of the legislation
yesterday, there is a large body
of evidence that shows that impediments
to the transitions to
renewable aren't either financial
or technical, they're around
political will. This
will. This Government doesn't lack in that. That member can have
great comfort in the fact that in this
country we have hundreds of
megawatts of consented but not yet
built renewable energy. We know that
technological change to store the
roughly 6 terawatts of surplus
energy we produce in summer to
use in winter is coming not
just through battery power but through things
like molten salt, like hydrogen and
a range of other storage facilities.
I invite that member to
join the 21st Century.
21st Century. So what is the minister's
view with the level
So what is the minister's view with
for this time of the year, with wind energy generating only
for this time of the year, with wind
installed capacity in 13 weeks, natural gas reserves depleting, the
minister severely limiting
future oil and gas
exploration... Order! Question, please. I started with a
question. With electricity demand
forecast to more than double as
she has said by 2050, what is
her view that New Zealand will not be heading
into an energy
crisis as commentators
into an energy crisis as
Mr Speaker first of all I wish that member would stop scaremongering.
We are not in an energy crisis. We have
some
are not in an energy crisis. We have
are still in the normal range. So that member should not try to
create
Mr Speaker, this government is very clear
Mr Speaker, this government is very
experiencing at the moment are
renewable system and that is what we're doing. The problems we
are seeing at the moment is that
member's party's failure to
act around the opportunities
that were in front of them when they were in
government.
government. After the minister said yesterday
that this government is
intent on building a resilient energy system
with more resilient forms
of renewable energy, how many megawatts
of new, renewable generation
is specifically being built in the
next
Mr Speaker, well, I can point firstly to the
100 megawatts built in his electorate, announced to be
built in his own electorate. What we
know is that we have
consented but not yet built. In terms of the building, that is over
to the individual generators
and this government is working with
those generators to give them
the
demand for the building of that renewable energy.
renewable energy. The member needs to
understand that actually leadership is required from
a government in order to send
those
just that. Question number 12, Dr Deborah Russell. Sorry, I
have another supplementary, sir. I'm
informed that the
National Party used all its supplementaries.
used all its supplementaries. Well, if
used all its supplementaries.
the National Party whips that I will do
do a reconciliation. Further supplementary. Yes sir. Following
that answer, considering that wind
generation over the last 13 weeks
was just
generation over the last 13 weeks
capacity, what level of invest ment would be required for
wind energy to meet the requirements that she
is expecting, particularly around the
new Waverley Wind Farm when she is
wind energy on its own is not sufficient to provide the security
of supply our energy system
needs. What I said in in a previous
answer is that we are a country that
produces roughly 6 terawatts of
surplus energy in
the summer months and has roughly the same deficit
in the winter months. To ask that
question
question without including what needs to be done in terms of
storage capacity miss
capacity miss the opportunities that sit in front of this country. What
the member is asking is what
the private investment will be
from the generators and they are prepared to
make those investments when they see
there is a government that has a strategy around building a renewable
and resilient electricity system
and that is just what we are doing.
Question number
Question number 12, Dr Deborah Russell.
My
My question is to the Minister of
enabling improvements in the way New Zealanders interact with
the revenue
The
The Hon
The Hon Stuart Nash. There week the IRD launched a major Cam. To
tell New Zealanders about the biggest