SECURITY ANALYST FRANK
FIGLIUZZI, FORMER ASSISTANT
DIRECTOR AT THE FBI FOR
COUNTERINTELLIGENCE.
CHRIS, START WITH YOU.
YOUR REACTION TO THESE TWO
REPORTS.
>> DO I OPEN THIS NOW OR LATER?
WHEN DO WE OPEN THIS?
>> WELL, TELL ME WHY YOU’RE --
YOU KNOW WHAT?
IF YOU’RE GOING TO DO THAT, I’M
GOING TO DO THIS.
LET ME SHOW YOU THE LIES TOLD
ABOUT THE JOB YOU DID.
LET ME SHOW YOU SOME OF THE
DISINFORMATION.
>> WE’RE USING A FOREIGN COMPANY
THAT IS OWNED BY VENEZUELANS WHO
ARE CLOSE TO -- WERE CLOSE TO
CHAVEZ, ARE NOW CLOSE TO MADURO,
HAVE A HISTORY -- THEY WERE
FOUNDED AS A COMPANY TO FIX
ELECTIONS.
>> WHAT WE ARE REALLY DEALING
WITH HERE AND UNCOVERING MORE BY
THE DAY IS THE MASSIVE INFLUENCE
OF COMMUNIST MONEY THROUGH
VENEZUELA, CUBA, AND LIKELY
CHINA IN THE INTERFERENCE WITH
OUR ELECTIONS HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES.
>> THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS
ALLEGING A COMPANY CALLED
DOMINION, WHICH THEY SAY STARTED
IN VENEZUELA WITH CUBAN MONEY
AND WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF
SMARTMATIC SOFTWARE, A BACK DOOR
IS CAPABLE OF FLIPPING VOTES.
>> SO, SINCE YOU WERE ADEQUATELY
ARMED WITH APPROPRIATE BEVERAGE
TO WATCH THAT, I’LL LET YOU
RESPOND.
>> YOU KNOW, IT IS -- IT’S GREAT
TO SEE THAT, IN THE BLACK AND
WHITE TERMS, THAT LAST PARAGRAPH
YOU READ OUT OF THE DHS, THE 1-B
REPORT, KEEPING IN MIND THE
EXECUTIVE ORDER SIGNED PRIOR TO
THE 2018 ELECTION, THERE ARE TWO
REPORTS.
THE FIRST WAS THE ONE YOU
REFERENCED FROM THE DIRECTOR OF
NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, THAT’S
THE 1-A REPORT THAT HAS THE
INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS OF ANY
SORT OF INTERFERENCE ATTEMPTS.
THAT 1-B REPORT WAS BY D.O.J.
AND THE FBI AND DHS AND SISA AND
IT MEASURED EFFECTIVELY ANY
IMPACTS ON THE ELECTION AND AS
YOU SAID, AND AS THAT REPORT
CLEARLY STATES, THERE WAS NO
VOTE FLIPPING.
THERE WAS NO CRACK-IN.
THERE WAS NO HAMMER.
THERE WAS NO SCORECARD.
I COULD GO ON AND ON.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE
WERE SAYING IN OCTOBER,
NOVEMBER, AND DECEMBER, AND YET,
THE CACOPHONY OF VOICES FROM THE
RIGHT AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT’S
SUPPORTERS THAT LED UP
ULTIMATELY TO JANUARY 6th, THEY
WERE FLATOUT -- THAT WAS FAKE
NEWS.
>> SO, CHRIS, I’M GOING TO NEED
YOU TO GO ON AND ON, BECAUSE WE
NOW HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE
DISINFORMATION FORCES AMONG SOME
AMERICANS ARE STRONGER THAN THE
FACTS, AND THE FOUR YEARS-LONG
SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST WHAT
TRUMP DESCRIBED A DEEP STATE.
HE HAPPENED TO LEAD THE DEEP
STATE, BUT THAT NEVER STOPPED
HIM, HAS TAKEN ROOT.
HOW DO YOU TAKE ACTUAL
INFORMATION AND USE IT TO COMBAT
DISINFORMATION?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK
THE -- MAYBE THE ONE GUY THAT’S
MORE -- THAT’S HAPPIER THAN I AM
RIGHT NOW IS THE CEO OF DOMINION
VOTING SYSTEMS.
THAT INFORMATION IN THE 1-B
REPORT IS AS AUTHORITATIVE AS
YOU CAN GET IN TERMS OF
DEBUNKING THE CLAIMS BY POWELL
AND WOOD AND OTHERS SO THAT
CERTAINLY SUPPORTS HIS ATTEMPTS
TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
AND THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
NOW, MY CONCERN, MORE BROADLY,
IS THAT THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN
DONE.
THE COURTS, THE WHEELS OF
JUSTICE TURN A LITTLE TOO
SLOWLY, I THINK, TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE CONFIDENCE IN OUR
ELECTION PROCESSES AND SYSTEMS
CAN BE MAINTAINED, SO WE’VE --
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GOT A GUY
THAT’S GOT 80 MILLION FOLLOWERS
ON TWITTER THAT’S THROWING THIS
STUFF AROUND, THAT’S REALLY HARD
TO OVERCOME AND I THINK THAT’S
THE CHALLENGE THAT WE’RE GOING
TO HAVE TO FOCUS ON.
>> ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT ALL OF
THE EFFORTS TO ROLL BACK ACCESS
TO VOTING AND VOTER SUPPRESSION
EFFORTS BY REPUBLICAN
LEGISLATURES ALL ACROSS THE
COUNTRY BASED ON A LIE THAT WE
NOW HAVE FURTHER EVIDENCE IN
THESE TWO REPORTS IS JUST THAT,
A LIE?
>> I THINK THAT’S CERTAINLY PART
OF IT.
I KNOW DOWN IN GEORGIA, FOR
INSTANCE, THERE WERE SOME EARLY
ATTEMPTS IN THE SENATE, THE
GEORGIA SENATE, TO INTRODUCE
LEGISLATION THAT WOULD REMOVE
DOMINION SYSTEMS FROM THE
COUNTIES.
YOU SEE WHAT’S GOING ON IN --
OUT IN ARIZONA WITH THE SENATE
SUBPOENAING THE MARICOPA COUNTY
ELECTION BOARD FOR ACCESS TO
BALLOTS AND SYSTEMS AND WITHOUT
A REAL PLAN AND IN FACT THEY
WERE GOING TO USE, BY ALL
REPORTS THAT I SAW AT LEAST,
THEY WERE GOING TO USE THE SAME
TEAM THAT CONDUCTED A HALF-BAKED
REPORT UP IN MICHIGAN, SO THIS
IS JUST, YOU KNOW, I’VE SAID IT
BEFORE ON YOUR SHOW.
THIS IS PERFORMATIVE POLITICS.
THIS IS THE -- THE BUS IS BEING
DRIVEN BY THE BASE AND THE
ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE ON BOARD
WITH IT, AND THEY’VE GOT TO BE
ON STAGE AND THEY’VE GOT TO BE
PERFORMING TO WHATEVER THE BASE
WANTS THEM TO DO.
>> ARE YOU CONCERNED, CHRIS, BY
WHAT IT REVEALS ABOUT
RATCLIFFE’S ROLE AS NOT BEING AN
HONEST BROKER.
I THINK WE ALL KNEW HE WASN’T AN
HONEST BROKER WHEN IT CAME TO
OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES BUT HE
WROTE AN OP-ED DESCRIBING CHINA
AS THE GREATEST THREAT.
THE INTELLIGENCE REPORT DETAILS
THE NATURE OF THE RUSSIAN EFFORT
AND IT’S CLEAR, CHRISTOPHER WRAY
TESTIFIED PUBLICLY TO IT, DONALD
TRUMP CAME OUT AND ATTACKED HIM
THE NEXT DAY, BUT HE HAD HIS MAN
AT ODNI, RATCLIFFE, CARRYING THE
COMPANY LINE.
HOW DANGEROUS IS THAT IN
HINDSIGHT?
>> SO, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE 1-A
REPORT FROM TODAY AND THE 1-B
REPORT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE
WAS NOT A LOT IN THERE THAT
SURPRISED ME.
IT WAS ALL CONSISTENT WITH MY
UNDERSTANDING.
IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE
INFORMATION THAT WE RELEASED TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHETHER IT
WAS IRANIAN ACTIVITIES, WHETHER
IT WAS PROXY EFFORTS BY RUSSIAN,
YOU KNOW, AGENTS ACTING ON
BEHALF OF THE FSB, AND YES,
THERE WERE CHINESE, BROADER
ATTEMPTS AND AS THEY HAVE ALWAYS
DONE, TO INFLUENCE OUR POLITICS.
ONE OF MY FRIENDS AT THE NSA AT
THE TIME, HE WAS THE CYBER
COORDINATOR, SAID, YOU KNOW,
RUSSIA IS THE HURRICANE, AND
CHINA IS CLIMATE CHANGE, AND SO
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT INTERFERENCE
AND INFLUENCE IN OUR DEMOCRACY,
RUSSIA HAS THESE REALLY BRAZEN,
HIGH-IMPACT, HIGH-VISIBILITY
EFFORTS.
MEANWHILE, IN THE BACKGROUND,
CHINA’S PLAYING A MUCH SLOWER,
QUIETER GAME THAT, IN THE
BROADER SENSE OF THINGS, I DO
THINK AS A NATIONAL SECURITY