joining us once again is brian fisher he is the american family association is
director of issues and alice's and a host of focalpoint on they f are
talk bryant last time you were here we were having a little bit of a
conversation about
what i thought of as the inevitability of more states legalizing marriage
equality you stated you don't think that there is that is a foregone conclusion
so to speak now every time we talk we have more states with legal marriage
equality of just a couple of weeks ago we added maine maryland in washington d
uh... a popular votes so question one is what's your reaction have you changed
your position on the inevitability of eventual
countrywide marriage equality
arnelle i have asked fluid i've changed my position whatsoever david
uh... you know papa
same-sex marriage one four times at the ballot box this november about some
indisputable fact
that means that natural marriage now is thirty two info war
at the box office of your college and you go thirty-two but for you're going
to the hall of fame this is a long way from over
the voters in north carolina remember which probably on the one in two
thousand eight
they voted for national merit system
amber seba this summer sixty-one the thirteen i know this battle has a long
long way from being over
now to use your sports analogy
if every season your record gets worse thats also pretty bad right because
every time you and i speak there are more and more states you can dispute the
fact that i'm going to there's more and more states with marriage equality
well what david four states now
uh... and this is this the first time
it's a good idea nine states plus a d_c_ now
the bill is the first time adapt states have that that voters instead deeds
have normalized same sex marriages saying nice things well at least forty
one
that still protect that natural rights this is a long way from being over i'll
take forty one that i i will take thirty june fourteen billion weight you'd
rather fifty ella now you've lost nine
absolute building out the goal is that the areas of thing david
when it comes to these culture wars in the battle over social values
one of the reasons that the homosexual robbie makes progress at the same never
give up the relentless they're determined they have resolved
database away in some play in some cases able to wear down the opposition so i i
i was going up eventually but let's talk about that how much at how many states
will it take for you to give this issue up right
i'm glad we're never going to give up
but i've never give up on as david because so you know it's those on the
other side you'll never came up as they walk
exactly bogota is that they were actually isn't that the other side never
gives up cuz you also want to look at the same thing
not provides a that's other able to be successful is that they never give up
okay that's how we're going to be successful were never going to give up
but if you're also never gonna give up why have you lost nine states
well because they were down the opposition eventually people just get
tired and they give up and they give and
bookings are final response at your side and i can you give up which people are
getting tired of getting out kab well that's part of the responsibility of the
leaders of the pro-family movement of is to continue the burj the folks in their
camp to stay in the fight
their i want indulge me for a second if you can because i have i'm kinda get i
wasn't sure if your show on occasion and i know you have
you had herman canine and sometimes you have kind of more non non homosexuality
related conversations
do social conservatives who are very anti-gay liked you
do you guys shared the republican values on stuff like fiscal policy for example
like do you get involved in that or is it really just about social issues
by now one of our live always believe unlimited limited government we believe
in constitute julie restrained government
they believe in smaller government we believe in fiscal responsibility we
believe in all those things we believe in balanced budgets we believe that the
government should not spend a dime is not authorized to spend that article one
section eight so over yet we weigh in on all those issues
about the way given just one correction
i am four homosexuals find him gone
against homosexuality because i thought i think homosexual behavior
destroys the lives of the health of homosexual ignoring other than to remind
our audience
because i'm four them i want to see them get free of this lifestyle because of a
discount
so just to remind our audience in past interviews you said everything from
the rectal wall as one's self
pic that's kind of a favorite among our audience from when you were on the show
usaid lesbians have tons of abortions even though we what we'll be able to
identify how they're getting pregnant
you've said that you are with the gay porn stars on condom usage and you also
have indicated ah... what was the other one you've also indicated that gay
people have is it like a twenty-year shorter life span or something
well yes i was not my information i was just released i think by the centers for
disease control
by their religion at the fact that there is an impact on longevity from h_i_v_
aids you can come up to two decades
obama sectors like that's why i'm against homosexual behavior
i think is bad for people and out of the warm day and week out i don't get out of
the latch that was good for me believe it
okay so on getting out of the lifestyle thing i want to go through
we've had a number of different guess on the show and they've expressed a lot of
different ideas and i wanted his run some of them by a desi kind of which
which sect of the anti gay community are you a part of so first of all the
westborough baptist church argues that quote god hates fags is that an idea
specifically that you subscribe to
atas absolutely flatly totally one hundred and eighty degrees wrong david
ok but says the bible says that god sold loved dot world
that's everybody in it that includes practicing homosexuals that includes
former homosexuals he so loved the world
they gave his only
begotten son that whoever believes that it should not perish but have
everlasting life busload church as a hundred and eighty degrees outfit based
with reality with truth of god's word on that would you be willing to have to
debate one of the people from that church on the show potential
i'm sure that if i'm okay i think that would be interesting okay
uh... the idea that homosexuals should be put to death
no we believe they ought to be helped
okay okay
um... assistance liked it was that i like them
homosexual behavior
j redistribution glad you and paul cameron both yeah
escorted
to the centers for disease control
the rescue human health in homosexual behavior about the same as they are
within abuse drug abuse of my position is whatever
policies we have got to help people leg the problem of haba injection drug abuse
that's what we are used to help homosexuals get free of their addiction
okay so my next what was going to be do you agree with paul camera that
homosexual e of homosexuality is like drug usage so we've got a yes on that
one
gourd yet yet again but then again david that's not call cameron that's not me
that's the centers for disease only i understand you say it's it's it's back
uh... forward senator traded i'm saying the centers for disease control
say it is not just the green but the centers for disease control no no no
but what file camera has sent but if he's agreeing with the centers for
disease control then we'd
both agree but the centers for disease control of the risks trauma such creator
of the same as aggression injection drug use
uh... former navy chaplain gordon clinging to matt has indicated that
awaits you read the people of homosexuality and what he considers
homosexual demands is through extra systems is that something you subscribe
to
well i think there's no question that there is that for a fact
hers and work in this that my disease and stroke
using spiritual weapons
of artwork for a record of the new testament can be affected pa we know
that people can get delivered from homosexual behavior the former president
of the american psychological association nathan cummings he's seen
that happen in his home in private
clinical
practiced he said
seeing people
three of homosexual behavior and change their sexual orientation so it certainly
is possible
there may be special factors network if there are parked in the power of the
gospel the name of jesus christ the power of the holy spirit indeed enormous
l and excesses and might be a way to do that
well we believe in the reality of spiritual old forces just like jesus
that you got a problem with he got a problem with the vans david your bob's
not with me as with jesus christ because he believed him
ab i've no problem with anybody here uh... last thing do you believe that
uh... gay couples are lesbian couples can not be good parents
it's impossible cannot be compared to know
and mark regulars as research and technical regular we've gotta stop right
there the regular study has been widely debunk that's nonsense propaganda
let's do something other than the regular sex
i'm sorry can't do that david baby get blocked by your friends but the
university of texas
they have the quality control office to monitor the research that's done
under the name came of the university of texas they signed off on regulars has
researched saying i'm not at the time but as we know now it is clearly one
thing is i walk on it they said this research is appropriate
the methodology was finding asbestos
forty contribution to the discussion over this issue so the university of
took x's has signed off on a day but i don't know who your friends are that
claimed they'd be blood of the beauty received
taxable putting out of the iceberg second it straight
but all the david duke talking there why catapult it's their name it's their
reputations on the line they're not gonna sign off on faulty methodology
because that will affect their main and their reputation as a research
university
okay so but can you give me some at least person i was talking to you but
you have anecdotal evidence or anything you can give me of why you think too
individuals in a relationship of the same sex can't be good parents account
tell me the story of why
because fathers offer something difference in unique to their children
mothers offer something unique and different and view replaceable
to their children he mother cannot offer to a child or father can't be father
cannot offer to which i love what about it and that's why god decided while
that's because of god's design so what about a single-parent households and
like what one might there be better than to mothers if the choices there is a
single parent
or there's there's two oh two point two female parrots what about that
well if u
look at the social research david we know what the absence of a parent needs
to a child at home
but the absence of a mother
but the absence of a father means to a child are more likely to suffer
emotional disability lower academic perform harmon's but we're hearing it's
been a single parents is stand there
adult life and what regulars discovered yeah is used to have to have those same
sex marriage you have a lot of the exactly the same
pathology setback regulars lipid eighty different outcomes for the men arrested
cannot register sometime in the brightest assuring if you can talk about
anything you want
i'll talk about mark regulars because university of texas is signed off
on his recently evaluating credibility it's been debunked doctor bryant costs
too angry about educating a
david huge cock into me
and you want to know what i want to talk about how murdoch about mark regular
society but it does waiting in a great weekend as being in that house
interviewed david he talked
two adults that group dot in same sex households
you can get recent process any more solid
than that and they're good
dole so they're able to reflect back and look at the wrong for me back networking
rates of same sex households regular students may be outcomes that major in
seventy seven of those eighty albums children that were raised in same sex
households
performed more clearly performed poorly compared to children's millions of new
york china can rightly be bondi should check out abby goldberger professor abby
goldberg's research i mean that this study the studies bogus but i guess for
bogged down in that you know
wha
i do feel kinda sorry for this anti-gay movement because you guys are going to
lose and this is going to be like when people were against
integration and it's going to be sad when we look back at it being on the
wrong side of history i do feel bad for this movement
you and the chapel in the god hates fags and paul cameron it's a sad state of
affairs i i really do well i i i wish you the best though in all seriousness
well the the parallel with integration is absolutely false i don't think that
you know i've been ca as because
race is immutable you're born netway table are going to extradite him
donato
watergate managing to advocate for a crime told me
backlash david people are not born
data but i mean did you decide to do so it's not ok we'll columbia and a
researcher and you know
they did a lot to do those that do you know i really wanted to let off that
give gifts to get kids of dorm brigade people are born gay
that if you have two identical twins they've both ought to be gay
if one of them as david important rate ought to be one hundred percent instead
is between five and seven percent so desperately identical twins at o_j_
itself and that they are not born that way and you have met x case i've met
experience i had no i've never had any extension of the f_b_i_ well i have a
live help right reid is going to do this i think that's what they did say that
it's just like colin powell said
the parallel with grace constable sexuality houston deviant flag is it is
invalid house
campbell alibi on that
but brian uh... went and when did you decide to destroy
almost with colin powell so you know the answer could you do calgary changes
fraction denying that
the parallel algiers convenient
but he accused invalid
and david the point here
i don't send the colin powell on that iraq information to you
sexual behavior
is always a matter of of choice s the bottom line so she can change your
attraction to men i know you can control your behavior but could you also change
your attraction to men
david listen to me you're not answering any of the question
this would be david sexual behavior produced always he matter
of choice latin attractions
your question
i'm talking about a trash
retraction doesn't matter really does this work
do with that attraction that is the issue can act tiger woods yeah what
happens
jheel but every second of action
you feel little destroyed our life so actually we're not here link shows two
dash away
sexual behavior
is always a matter of chilled net
so maybe next time you can tell us what age you were when you said
i will now decide weather to be gay or straight i guess we can get that answer
now we've been speaking to brian fisher of course director of issues analysis at
the american family association
poster focal points on air farts hock
think about would you be able to just changer attraction to men that would be
a fascinating study i think that we we will examine that for their next time
brian fisher thank you
date
always a pleasure to chat with you david
all right thank you