>> THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
LET’S TURN TO JAMES FITZGERALD.
HE IS A RETIRED FBI CRIMINAL
PROFILER AND FORENSIC LINGUIST
WHO WORKED ON HIGH PROFILE
CASES, INCLUDING FINDING THE
UNABOMBER.
IS HE ALSO THE AUTHOR OF "A
JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE
MIND."
JAMES, WE COULDN’T HAVE A
BETTER, MORE EXPERIENCED GUEST
FOR THIS STORY, THIS VERY TRAGIC
STORY.
WHAT ARE OUR INSTINCTS TELLING
YOU ABOUT THIS CASE?
>> MY INSTINCTS ARE TELLING ME
THAT AFTER ALMOST TWO WEEKS OF
THIS INVESTIGATION BEING UNDER
TAKEN BY THE POLICE, THE
VICTIMOLOGY SO FAR THAT IS THE
BACKGROUND OF THE INDIVIDUAL
VICTIMS MADISON, ETHAN, KAYLEE
AND XANA HAVE NOT BROUGHT ABOUT
ANY FRUIT, ANY FRUITFUL
INVESTIGATIVE LEADS FOR THEM.
AND THAT’S BOTHERSOME BECAUSE
AUTOMATICALLY YOU WERE THINKING
OF AN EX-BOYFRIEND OR SOMEBODY
THAT MAYBE ETHAN HAD A FIGHT
WITH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, APPARENTLY, THAT INNER
CIRCLE HAS NOT BEEN -- HAS BEEN
RESOLVED OR AT LEAST FURTHER --
NO FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS ARE
INVOLVING THAT.
SO NOW THE POLICE INVESTIGATORS
HAVE TO GO INTO THE OUTER
PERIMETER OF THIS INVESTIGATION.
LIKE PIZZA DELIVERY PEOPLE LOOK
AT, YOU KNOW, UBER DRIVERS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT’S ONLY IF IT’S A PERSONAL
CONNECTION TO THIS CRIME.
I’M LEANING IN THAT DIRECTION AT
THIS POINT, BUT, BOY, AFTER TWO
WEEKS, YOU THINK SOME LEAD WOULD
HAVE COME UP.
I’M NOT RULING OUT THE IN CELL
FACTOR, INVOLUNTARY CELEB BASE
MOSTLY YOUNGER MEN WHO FEEL THEY
ARE NOT DATING THE KIND OF MEN
THEY WOULD LIKE TO DATE AND
WHILE MOST OF THEM, THE VAST
MAJORITY ARE NOT VIOLENT, SOME
DO HAVE VIOLENT IDEATION AND
THEY DO WANT TO CARRY OUT
THREATS AND ACTUALLY TAKE
ACTIONS AGAINST PEOPLE.
IS IT POSSIBLE THEY SAW THE
YOUNG WOMEN HERE AS STACEYS,
THAT’S THE NICKNAME FOR
ATTRACTIVE WOMEN OR THE YOUNG
MAN ETHAN AS A CHAD, THAT’S
SOMETHING I KNOW THE PROFILERS
AND BEHAVIORALLISTS ARE LOOKING
INTO ALL THE ONLINE FOOTPRINTS
OF THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE.
OR COULD IT BE A SEXUAL SADIST
WHO TRAVELS THE COUNTRY AND DOES
SOME OF THESE THINGS ELSEWHERE
INCLUDING THE ONE IN OREGON THAT
WE TALKED ABOUT.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE FACTORS
THAT THE INVESTIGATORS RIGHT
NOW, RACHEL ARE LOOKING AT.
>> WHAT IS THE PROFILE FOR
SOMEBODY WHO KILLS IN THIS
MANNER?
>> I’M CERTAINLY LEANING TOWARDS
AN ADULT MALE, IT TAKES A LOT,
SHOOTING SOMEONE WITH A GUN IS
ONE THING, YOU PULL A TRIGGER
BASICALLY OVER AND DONE WITH YOU
ABOUT A KNIFE -- WOUNDING WITH A
KNIFE OR KILLING WITH A KNIFE IS
A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF
PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL
REACTIONS.
AND TIMES THAT BY 4 AS WE HAVE
IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE A
DIFFERENT KIND OF OFFENDER.
PEOPLE FOR YEARS WILL SAY ZODIAC
AND UNABOMBER THE SAME PEOPLE?
NO, UNABOMBER WAS A LONG
DISTANCE KILLER WITH A BOMB.
ZODIAC UPCLOSE KILLER WITH
KNIVES.
GO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
THIS OFFENDER HAS A VIOLENT
IDEATION ABOUT HIM.
AND ALTHOUGH THE CRIME ITSELF IS
NOT THAT SOPHISTICATED THE FOUR
CORNERS OF THE CRIME ITSELF,
LET’S FACE IT, HE USED ONE OF
THE OLDEST WEAPONS AVAILABLE
AFTER A ROCK AND A CLUB, THAT IS
A SHARP OR SLASHING TYPE OF
INSTRUMENT.
BUT NOW, BUT HOW HE GOT INTO THE
SCENE, HOW HE, PERHAPS,
PREOFFENSE BEHAVIOR HOW HE
EXPLORED PERHAPS THE INTERIOR OF
THE APARTMENT OR HAD SCHEMATICS
ABOUT IT OR IN THERE OTHER TIMES
AND OF COURSE THE POST OFFENSE
BEHAVIOR GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
CRIME.
HE APPARENTLY LEFT NO
FINGERPRINTS BEHIND.
NO BLOOD ON HIS PART. AND NO D.N.A.
AND NO D.N.A.
AND THERE IS SOPHISTICATION.
>>ING SO MUCH TO THINK ABOUT IN
THIS TROUBLING AND DISTURBING
CRIME.
THANKS FOR JOINING US AND GIVING
US YOUR VERY -- YOUR EXPERIENCE.