TO LOOK OVER THERE. >> KELLY O'DONNELL REPORTING
FROM NEW JERSEY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>> I WANT TO BRING IN CONGRESSWOMAN DEBBIE DINGLE,
DEMOCRAT OF MICHIGAN. I HOPE YOU WERE ABLE TO HEAR
YOUR COLLEAGUE RAUL LABRADOR IN HIS TOWN HALL SAYING THAT,
QUOTE, NOBODY DIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH
CARE. IS THIS MORE ABOUT SEMANTICS AT
THIS POINT? THE WORD ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE
AS OPPOSED TO THE PHRASE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE?
>> YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS
SEMANTICS. PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF WHAT WILL
HAPPEN. IT IS A VERY BAD BILL THAT
PEOPLE WHO NEED HEALTH CARE THE POST ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WILL
HAPPEN TO THEIR COSTS. IN SOME WAYS YOU TALK ABOUT
SEMANTICS AND I SAY ALL OF US HAVE ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO BUY,
BUT HOW MANY OF US CAN AFFORD IT?
>> CORRECT. >> AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
HOUSE THIS WEEK IS GOING TO INCREASE COSTS MOST DRAMATICALLY
FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST, THE SICK AND THE VULNERABLE.
I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE A SENIOR IS A PERSON IN THEIR 50s,
BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE 50s THEY'LL PAY FIVE TIMES MORE.
THEY'RE SCARED. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM?
>> WE DIVE DEEPER INTO THIS IS THAT IT REALLY REVEALS A BIG TAX
CUT FOR THE WEALTHY AND IS THAT THE INTENDED GOAL OF THIS
BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT MUCH OF REPEAL, REPLACE OR EVEN A REFORM
OF OBAMACARE. IT'S NOW TRUMPCARE WHICH IS A
BIG TAX CUT. >> IT'S A TRILLION DOLLAR TAX
CUT TO ALL OF HIS FRIENDS IN THE CABINET AND THE WEALTHIEST IN
OUR COMMUNITIES AND WE'VE EVEN GOT REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS.
I'M SITTING HERE IN MICHIGAN. OUR REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR HAS SAID
THAT THIS IS A BAD PLAN. HEALTHY MICHIGAN REDUCE THE
UNINSURED IN MICHIGAN BY 50%. THE GOVERNOR IS WORRIED ABOUT
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE PEOPLE AND THAT'S HAPPENING IN
STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT
IF -- I'M SORRY, I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY YOU
DO HAVE A RIGHT TO QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE AND HE
CAN SAY NOBODY DIES, AND I HAVE MET PERSON AFTER PERSON WHO
DOESN'T GO THEY'RE SICK UNTIL THEY'RE ABOUT TO DIE WHEN THEY
END UP IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND QUITE FRANKLY, SOME OF THEM DO.
>> CONGRESSWOMAN, THE VOTE WAS SO CLOSE WITHIN ONLY A FEW
POINTS TO GIVE HOUSE GOP MEMBERS THIS WIN.
COULD DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE PEOPLE WEREN'T TALKING
TO EACH OTHER WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS.
REPUBLICANS WANTED TO GET THIS BILL THROUGH.
I'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING AFFORDABLE CARE IS NOT PERFECT.
WE NEED TO WORK TO FIX PIECES OF IT AND WHY NOT CREATE A PUBLIC
OPTION IN MANY OF THE STATES AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND REPUBLICANS AREN'T INTERESTED IN
FIXING THIS BILL AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THE TRILLION
DOLLAR TAX CUT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND MANY, IF I'M NOT SAYING ALL,
THERE WERE SOME REPUBLICANS THAT VOTED AGAINST THE BILL AND THE
REPUBLICANS THAT WERE UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THEIR VOTE.
THEIR ARMS AND LEGS WERE REALLY BROKEN ON THIS VOTE.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE TUESDAY MORNING PEOPLE AND THE FREEDOM
CAUCUS FOLKS OF THE GOP? WE KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN TRIED
BEFORE. PAUL RYAN WASN'T EVEN ABLE TO
BRING IT TO THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE.
IT WAS CANCELED AND WHAT WAS THE OUTREACH TO THOSE CONCERNED
CONGRESS PEOPLE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO TALK ABOUT
THIS AND MAYBE NOT BE AT THIS POSITION WHERE WE ARE NOW?
>> I WASN'T IN THOSE MEETINGS. I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE ABOUT
MEETINGS THAT I WASN'T IN. FREEDOM CAUCUS CLEARLY HAD VERY
DIFFERENT ISSUES WHILE I WAS GRATEFUL THAT THEY KEPT THE VOTE
FROM HAPPENING A MONTH AGO I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH THEM AND
WE HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE.
I KNOW THAT MANY REPUBLICANS THAT ARE PAT OF THE TUESDAY
GROUP ARE DEEPLY BOTHERED BY WHAT THIS BILL WOULD DO AND ARE
PRAYING THAT THE SENATE IS GOING TO FIX IT IN SOME WAY OR THAT
THE BILL THAT PASSED IN THE HOUSE WOULD NEVER BE SEEN.
YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES MEED SADDEST ABOUT THAT?
THIS ISN'T A GAME OF WORDS BETWEEN TWO POLITICAL PARTIES.
I WAS AT TWO HEALTH CARE EVENTS YESTERDAY.
A BREAST CANCER SUMMIT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN AND THE
HEART WALK, THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED TO DEATH
ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THEM. >> IT REALLY IS WHEN WE THINK
ABOUT THE DRILLING DOWN CHOICES BEING USED BY REPUBLICANS IN
THEIR HOUN HALLS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THIS AND IF THEY'RE
DESCRIBING THIS TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO THINKING THAT THEY WILL
HAVE INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT IS WRONG, AND SO IT
REALLY IS A GAME OF BEING, YOU KNOW, CAUTIOUS ABOUT THE WORD
CHOICES AND BEING HONEST WHILE WE TALK ABOUT THIS, AND IF WE DO
THAT THE SENATE HAS THE BIG OPTION RIGHT NOW AND MOST OF THE
COLLEAGUES ON THE SENATE SIDE HAVE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO GO
BACK TO THE MAJORITY AND THERE ARE 13 MEN ON THE SENATE SIDE
REVIEWING THIS. WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO THAT AND
WHY ISN'T THERE A WOMAN INVOLVED OVER ON THE SENATE SIDE AT ALL?
>> LOOK, IT DEEPLY DISTURBED ME. I WATCHED IN SHOCK THE PICTURE
IN THE ROSE GARDEN AFTER WHAT HAPPENED IN THE HOUSE.
I REALLY WANTED TO CRY, AND WHEN I SAY IT'S NOT A GAME AND
THEY'RE TREATING IT LIKE A GAME AND FOR THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT
AND FOR THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY IT'S NOT A GAME.
YOU SEE THE PICTURE IN THE ROSE GARDEN YOU REALIZE WHO IT IS
THAT IS CELEBRATING THIS AND THEN HEAR THAT IT'S THE 13 WHITE
BOYS, SORRY TO SAY IT THAT WAY, THAT ARE GOING TO BE DOING THIS
IN THE SENATE. I AM VERY CONCERNED.
WE LOST THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES PACKAGE IN THE HOUSE SO THAT
PREGNANCY IS NOT -- DELIVERING A BABY, HAVING MATERNAL BEN IF IS
IS NO LONGER AN ESSENTIAL BENEFIT.
MENTAL HEALTH, SUBSTANCE ABUSE. THESE ARE REAL ISSUES IN
EVERYDAY LIVES AND THESE GUYS DON'T LIVE THESE KINDS OF ISSUES
EVERY DAY. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I FEEL
LIKE I'M ABLE AND WE NEED TO HAVE MORE WOMEN.
WE'RE THE CAREGIVERS AND WE ARE THE ONES DEALING WITH THESE
ISSUES EVERY DAY IN REAL LIFE. DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, BUT IT'S OUR
REALITY AND WE'RE MEETING PEOPLE, WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE,
WE UNDERSTAND AND WE NEED PEOPLE IN A ROOM THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT
IT REALLY MEANS TO EVERYDAY PEOPLE.
>> CONGRESSWOMAN DEBBIE DINGELL OF