back on the show is former navy chaplain Gordon
clinging Schmidt a he now has the new
and incredibly exciting I have to say online show chaplain
it's good to have you here give us the details of the online show I know it's
quickly become a favorite have right wing watch
yes thank you David god bless you and your listeners in Jesus name
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in Jesus name from a Christian perspective right so well that's what
kinda what I wanna touch on because since we it's been a little while since
we spoke to you
and since then we've had the Supreme Court ruling on
the Defense of Marriage Act I know that your commentary on that
you weren't particularly thrilled and we'll get into that
what's your sense right now love you know every time we have you on there's
more states that have legalized
marriage equality up there are more federal rulings like for example Don't
Ask Don't Tell now we have DOMA that are favoring the pro a quality crowd and
I've talked to Brian Fisher about this and many others
do you have any kind of connection to the reality that the
anti-gay movement is dying or do you believe I know you'll continue to fight
but do you really believe deep down that it will be a successful fight
well yes because God is not dead
and the church is not dead although the church is being tested and winnowed
well I think they're really these battles are exposing the truth church
from the Falls Church
I just saw this week that fuller seminary out in california
or traditionally evangelical Christian
seminary is now said they're gonna open up a a homosexual groups
for people to you know congregate discuss
those kinds of issues I think it's important that we have discussions open
and honest
but when the Bible says in Jesus define marriage in Matthew 19
is only valid between one man and one woman
quoting Moses quoting Genesis I think God is never going to change his mind
and that Jesus
is Lord in Jesus will rule not just in eternity
but he'll come back and set up his earthly kingdom at some point I have no
fear
that it is inevitable that traditional marriage will prevail
in the long run no but let's let's step back for a second because
I let's let's let's for a second assume that you're a hundred percent
right about what you're saying regarding Matthew 19 in all this stuff I don't
even wanna
challenge it let's assume you're right Christianity
the existence of Christianity is a spec
timewise in human history right i mean
it we're talking a couple thousand years when humans have been around millions
and millions of years
so do you really believe a a kind of practically pragmatically speaking
chaplain
that what happens to be in Matthew 19
right now in history is really going to have any significant long-term
over the relationships I've adults in society well i
disagree with the premise of your question I think what
Homo sapiens as a species have only been around maybe is
as long as 14 thousand years human written history
can only be go back maybe as far as 6,000 years and that coincidentally
that's about the time edleman %eh were mentioned in the book of Genesis
what Moses growths in the book of Genesis
chapter 3 what that marriage is between one man and one you know I know chaplain
chaplain I know
I'm more interested that we know the quotes we know that the quotes but
but so what you're saying is that a really humans have only been around for
fourteen thousand years
and therefore Christianity represents
around 175 that love that time roughly right 2009 to 14,000 is about 17
so you actually are making the argument that that Christianity has been around
for a lot of human history
no I think it the oldest religion
that we S&I I have a PhD in theology I studied religion for
us almost thirty years now the oldest religions that we have
around are not hinduism knots Islam
they are judy is it's the original religion was
God's relationship with man in the garden to be that is the first religion
and of course
when God defined on day one that marriage is between one man Adam
and one woman %eh thats and timeless
tradition it goes back as as always any religious statement there is
right but but the issue with the issue was that human history goes back way
longer than religion
and their these kind of preconceived notions about one man one woman are
increasingly irrelevant we've known about homosexuality
in across hundreds maybe even thousands species for a long time but
I guess I understand your perspective and and I would you wanna touch on some
other things I don't know we're gonna make too much more headway on that
not chaplain you've talked before with me about your marriage and you talk very
cloning Lee about your wife and how
she's the only woman you've ever been with sexually I think you're comfortable
with me saying that you've stated that in the past
can you address as specifically as possible
how you're monogamous presumably monogamous
straight marriage is has been affected
by the legalization of a quality in in many states and countries how
specifically cuz you said it'll destroy
straight marriage how is it affected your marriage
well it's redefined it from a legal perspective
it said that %uh traditional marriage between one man and one woman
is now what just is common for example is
is polygamy was in in Utah back in 1807
course the government band that to make traditional marriage between one man and
one woman
supreme and now of course the Supreme Court is trying to undermine that
in this decision in the wins reverses USA which struck down
not hold almost but section 3 of DOMA in some states
up by the way section 2 up dole is still very much alive was not struck down by
the Supreme Court
but nothing inside the chaplain Kathleen I have to try to refocus you because
section two and three of DOMA doesn't tell me how
gay marriages for example here in Massachusetts have affected
your marriage to your wife like has it effected
into Missy frequency has it affected how close I feel
I I mean I'm being see it's funny but I'm being serious I mean how how is your
interaction with your wife now different because
some guys in down the street from me are married to each other
well you're trying to confuse the relationship between me and my wife
with the legal definition up the term marriage and those are two different
issues of course
my relationship with my wife is just as strong as it ever was so you're saying
there that
that the countless gay weddings
across the country have had no effect on the relationship with your wife you just
said that right
well it's not about the relationship with my wife it's about the recruiting
movement up the children in the next generation for example of reagan is
promoting this
homosexual classrooms act they've already attached it to the elementary
and secondary education bill
formerly known as know what No Child Left Behind but I guess that's a
separate issue that said that
also so that the the what you claim is the recruiting have children
is separate from the argument you've made for years that gay marriage
destroys straight marriage you've just said very clearly
it's actually had no effect well no I didn't say it doesn't destroy straight
hair just think it does destroy straight marriage just not yours yours is
you teach yours is so good that it was an able to destroy
no I'm not talking about essay it is affecting our
marriage because now our marriage has been redefined by the courts and has
been watered down is less meaningful
he in the public eye in the eyes of the law than it was
a few months ago our marriage has been affected but my relationship with my
wife is to love love and always will be
wouldn't you think though that if if if marriage equality if two men being able
to marry
is something that they've fought so hard for for so long
that it would actually in a way make a marriage
more valuable not devalued because look at how hard they fought for it they must
you really think it's valuable if they fought so hard for it
well that's an interesting perspective but what they're really trying to do is
first the definition of marriage and water it down
it's not making it stronger in fact it's going to her children first with this
No Child Left unmolested amendments that of reagan's trying to push through and
Senator Tom Harkin
each all listen we're trying to do what's best for families
got to find families biologically as I said on your show
when jesus said that one man and one woman
become one flesh in other words they have children
that's something that homosexuals will never be able to do to sperms cannot
make a
a child so all right we've been speaking with former navy chaplain Gordon
clinton Schmidt it is it's a fascinating discussion that there's always something
new chaplain every time we talk to you and I think a
I think we'll all that that that's all really we can ask for that that the
anti-gay arguments are evolving if nothing else
chaplain thanks as always for being on and we'll check in with you again
god bless you David our website is pray in Jesus name dead or
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