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>> Brian: BRAND-NEW COURT
DOCUMENTS REVEAL
BRYAN KOHBERGER, THE SUSPECT
ACCUSED OF KILLING FOUR IDAHO
COLLEGE STUDENTS, APPARENTLY
STALKED THEIR HOME AT LEAST 12
TIMES BEFORE THE CRIME.
HE WAS FACE-TO-FACE WITH ANOTHER
ROOMMATE DURING THE MURDERS.
>> Pete: CELL PHONE DATA ALSO
SHOWS HE APPARENTLY RETURNED TO
THE SCENE JUST HOURS LATER
BEFORE POLICE WERE EVEN CALLED.
>> Ainsley: OUR NEXT GUEST
UNFORTUNATELY LOST HIS DAUGHTER,
KAYLEE, DURING THAT ATTACK.
HIS NAME IS STEVE GONCALVES AND
HE JOINS US WITH ATTORNEY
SHANNON GRAY.
GOOD MORNING TO YOU BOTH.
EVE, WERE YOU THERE IN THE
COURTROOM?
>> I SURE WAS.
WE EXPECT TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE
EVERY DAY.
>> Ainsley: WHAT IS YOU THINK
WHEN YOU SAW THE SUSPECT, THE
MAN THAT MIGHT HAVE KILLED OR
ALLEGEDLY KILLED YOUR DAUGHTER?
>> WHEN I SEEN THE DEFENDANT, I
SEEN SOMEBODY THAT LOOKED LIKE
HE WAS OVERWHELMED AND HAD NO
IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.
HE DIDN’T LOOK AS CONFIDENT AS I
THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE BASED
OFF HIS BACKGROUND.
>> Ainsley: HOW DID YOU FEEL,
THOUGH?
>> MY FEELINGS WERE -- I WAS
ANGRY.
I’LL BE HONEST, I WAS ANGRY.
I WANTED TO DO -- MY MIND WAS
FILLED WITH DIFFERENT THINGS,
BUT I KEPT MY COOL IN MY
COMPOSURE.
THERE IS A RIGHT WAY TO DO
THINGS AND THAT’S WHAT I WAS
THINKING ABOUT.
>> Pete: STEVE, I CAN’T
IMAGINE.
I ALSO WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION
TO THIS AFFIDAVIT WHICH REVEALED
A LOT OF INFORMATION WE DIDN’T
PREVIOUSLY KNOW.
WHAT DETAILS WERE NEW TO YOU AND
STICK OUT TO YOU?
>> THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE
KNIFE SLEEVE.
WE HEARD THERE WAS A SLEEVE BUT
WE DIDN’T KNOW THE LOCATION.
HE HEARD THERE WAS DNA, BUT
THERE WASN’T A HIT IN THE
DATABASE.
SO KNOWING THEY’D PUT ALL THOSE
THINGS TOGETHER AND THE TIMELINE
THEY WROTE FROM THE BEGINNING TO
THE LAST PAGE WAS VERY PRECISE,
AND IT PAINTED A PICTURE OF
WEEKS AND WEEKS OF INVESTIGATION
INVESTIGATION.
EACH LINE GAVE ME A LITTLE BIT
MORE CONFIDENCE THAT WE WERE IN
A VERY GOOD POSITION.
>> Brian: STEVE, THEY ARE SO
MANY QUESTIONS.
AS GREAT AND INFORMATIVE AS THE
AFFIDAVIT WAS, THERE ARE SO MANY
QUESTIONS OUT THERE.
JUST CURIOUS, DO THEY KEEP THE
FAMILIES INVOLVED?
IF SO, HOW?
DID THEY SAY THEY ARE VERY
CONFIDENT THEY HAVE A SUSPECT,
GETTING CLOSER?
DID THEY LET YOU SEE THIS
TIMELINE BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY
MADE THE ARREST?
>> HE FILLED IN PARTS OF THE
TIMELINES.
IT WAS COWORK.
THOSE GUYS BY FAR TO THE VAST
MAJORITY OF THE WORK.
WE KIND OF INSERTED OURSELVES
AND SAID WE NEED TO BE
COMMUNICATED WITH, THAT WE WANT
TO HAVE MEETINGS AND BE HELPFUL.
WE HAD THIS AUDIENCE, WE HAD
PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO LISTEN
AND WILLING TO HELP AND PROVIDE
INFORMATION THAT MAY HAVE BEEN
MISSING.
WE HAD THIS WHITE CAR TO LOOK
FOR.
SO THEY HELPED, AND WE WORKED
TOGETHER, BUT I DIDN’T HAVE THE
DETAILS AND I TOLD THEM NOT TO
GIVE ME ANY DETAILS THAT
COULD ACCIDENTALLY MESS UP THE
CASE.
>> Brian: DID YOU KNOW FOR THE
FIRST TIME LIKE WE DID THAT ONE
OF THE ROOMMATES CAME
FACE-TO-FACE WITH HIM AND
DESCRIBED HIM WITH BUSHY
EYEBROWS, WITH A THIN BUILD BUT
AN ATHLETIC BUILD, THE WAY WE
NOW KNOW AS WRITTEN?
DID YOU KNOW THAT?
>> I HAD HEARD THAT SOMEBODY HAD
SEEN SOMEBODY IN A MASK.
I DIDN’T KNOW IF IT WAS
SOMETHING THAT WAS YELLED OUT,
AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS
DOWNSTAIRS HEARD THAT.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT IT WAS ONE
OF THE PEOPLE DOWNSTAIRS THAT ACTUALLY I WITNESSED THIS
PERSON.
TO ME IT WAS JUST A CALL, SO I
WASN’T POSITIVE THAT IT WAS NOT
JUST A RUMOR.
SO HE NEVER MENTIONED IT.
THE DETAILS IN THE AFFIDAVIT ARE
KIND OF SHOCKING, SO I’M SURE WE
WILL GET MORE DETAILS AS TIME
GOES ON.
BUT YEAH, IT READS VERY BIZARRE.
>> Ainsley: SHANNON, IF HE IS
CONVICTED, DO YOU EXPECT THE
DEATH PENALTY?
>> I THINK STEVE AND THE FAMILY
HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT IS
SOMETHING, A DECISION THAT WOULD
BE MADE BY ALL THE FAMILIES ON
WHETHER OR NOT THE DEATH PENALTY
IS SOMETHING THE STATE PURSUES
ON THIS CASE.
I DON’T THINK IT IS JUST A
DECISION FOR THE GONCALVES
FAMILY BUT FOR ALL THE VICTIMS’
FAMILIES, AND THEY WILL SEE
WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.
>> Pete: SHANNON, YOU HAD A
CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS
AFFIDAVIT, AS WELL.
HOW AIRTIGHT IS THE CASE AS YOU
LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW?
>> I THOUGHT THE AFFIDAVIT -- A
LOT OF INFORMATION IS IN THE
AFFIDAVIT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A SOLID
CASE.
AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR MYSELF,
AND NOW A CRIMINAL DEFENSE
ATTORNEY, I LOOK AT IT IN BOTH
WAYS, AND AS PROSECUTION IT
LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A REALLY GREAT
TIMELINE.
THERE IS DNA EVIDENCE, THERE IS
THE EVIDENCE FROM THE
CELL PHONES, AND THE AUTOMOBILE,
THAT HE WAS AWARE OF THE
LOCATION COMING BACK AND FORTH.
SO THERE’S A LOT OF GOOD
INFORMATION THERE.
THEN WHEN I FLIP OVER TO THE
DEFENSE SIDE, I STILL HAVE A
HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY
ARE GOING TO GET PAST THE DNA
EVIDENCE ON THE SHEATH.
A LOT OF TIMES, AND CASES I’VE
DEFENDED, SOMETIMES YOU SIT DOWN
AND TALK WITH THE DEFENDANT AND
SAY, "HEY, THIS IS A GREAT PIECE
OF EVIDENCE.
HOW DO WE GET PAST THIS PIECE OF
EVIDENCE?"
SO I THINK THAT’S ONE OF THE
MOST CONVINCING PIECES OF THE
AFFIDAVIT, THE DNA EVIDENCE.
>> Brian: SOMETIMES, STEVE,
YOU HAVE GOT FEELINGS.
DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THE SKY IN THE JUMPSUIT, THAT
YOU ARE LOOKING AT YOUR
DAUGHTER’S KILLER?
>> YEAH, I DID.
I DID RESEARCH BEFORE I CAME TO
THAT COURTROOM.
I WAS LOOKING FOR A CERTAIN
LOOK, AND I WANTED HIM TO MEET
THE EYE.
HE HAD THE SAME BEHAVIOR
PREVIOUSLY WHEN HE WAS IN
PENNSYLVANIA, AND HE CHOSE NOT
TO HER HE WAS AFRAID TO LOOK
BACK.
FOR ME, THAT WASN’T A GOOD SIGN.
>> Brian: WHAT ABOUT THE FACT
THAT HE SMILED?
>> I DIDN’T SEE IT.
I HEARD ABOUT THAT LATER.
I DON’T KNOW.
IT’S HARD TO COMMENT ON THAT.
>> Ainsley: YOU KNOW, STEVE,
WE ARE ALL PARENTS.
FOR EVERY PARENT WATCHING, WHEN
YOU GIVE BIRTH, YOU HOLD THAT
BABY AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE
DREAMS FOR THEM.
YOU GO THROUGH THE HARD YEARS,
THE YEARS OF THEM ALWAYS BEING
WITH YOU AND NEEDING YOUR HELP,
TO GET THE SMALL THINGS -- THE
SERIAL COME, THE MILK, ALL OF THAT
THEN THE HARD TEENAGE YEARS.
AND YOU LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR
20s WHEN THE GOING GET
MARRIED, THEY’RE GOING TO BRING
GRANDCHILDREN HOME, AND YOU’VE
GOTTEN THROUGH ALL THAT AND YOU
HAVE RAISED THESE AMAZING KIDS.
HE ROBBED THAT FROM YOU AND YOUR
WIFE.
WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN
YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU
SEE HIM, OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST
JUMP OVER AND DO WHAT MOST DADS
WOULD WANT TO DO AND TAKE HIM
OUT OR TAKE THEM DOWN, BEAT HIM
UP, WHATEVER IT IS?
>> THE PHYSICAL SIDE AS THEY
ARE, BUT I KNOW THAT’S NOT
REALISTIC.
SO WHAT I GO WITH IT IS I CAN
MAKE THIS MAN FEEL LIKE HE
PICKED THE WORST FAMILY TO DO
THAT TO.
AND EVERY TIME HE TURNS ON THE
TV, HE SEES US, AND EVERY TIME
HE THINKS SOMETHING POSITIVE IS
HAPPENING IN HIS CASE, HE SEES
ONE OF US COMMUNICATING AND
REALIZES HE HAS ZERO HOPE.
THAT’S WHAT I HOPE, AND THAT’S
WHAT I CAN DO.
I DON’T WANT TO WORRY AND THINK
ABOUT THINGS -- I’M STILL GOING
TO, BUT THOSE ARE NOT REALISTIC
THINGS FOR ME TO PUT MY TIME AND
ENERGY INTO.
I MIGHT AS WELL STAY FOCUSED ON
WHAT I CAN DO, AND I WANT THIS
GUY TO BE SICK OF SEEING ME,
SICK OF HEARING THE CASE.
NEW EVIDENCE KEEPS COMING IN
FROM AUDIENCE MEMBERS JUST LIKE
WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY, AND I WANT
THIS CASE TO GET STRONGER AND
STRONGER TO THE POINT WHERE HE
REALIZES THAT HE’S NOT GOING TO
BE ON THE PLANET THAT LONG.
>> Pete: STEVE, YOU’VE BEEN AN
AMAZING ADVOCATE FOR YOUR
DAUGHTER, AND THE COURAGE IT
TAKES TO BE IN THAT COURTROOM
AND SEE HIM IS IMMENSE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US
THIS MORNING.
SHANNON GRAY, THE ATTORNEY, GOOD
LUCK AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD
GENERATE HEALTH.
>> Ainsley: WE ARE SO SORRY