>> Bill: WE HOPE FOR A FULL
RECOVERY.
GET WELL SOON IN THE D.C.
HOSPITAL.
>> Martha: TECH INDUSTRY LEADERS
CALLING FOR A PAUSE ON THE
DEVELOPMENT OF ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE LIKE CHATGPT.
WE HAVE FOUR AND NOW WE MAY BE
GOING BEYOND THAT AND IT HAS
THEM REALLY SHAKEN UP.
ELON MUSK AND OTHER EXECUTIVES
URGING COMPANIES TO JUST HALT
EXPERIMENTS ON A.I. FOR SIX
MONTHS.
THEY NEED TO GET SOME
COORDINATION ON THIS CITING
RISKS TO SOCIETY.
FCC COMMISSIONER BRENDON CARR
JOINING ME ON THIS AND WHAT IS
HAPPENING WITH TIKTOK.
COMMISSIONER, GOOD TO HAVE YOU
WITH US TODAY.
LET ME READ A SECTION OF THIS
OPEN LETTER OUT THERE THIS
MORNING.
BIG NEWS.
POWERFUL A.I. SYSTEMS SHOULD BE
DEVELOPED ONLY ONCE WE ARE
CONFIDENT THAT THEIR EFFECTS
WILL BE POSITIVE AND RISKS WILL
BE MANAGEABLE.
WE CALL ON A.I. LABS TO
IMMEDIATELY PAUSE FOR AT LEAST
SIX MONTHS, THE TRAINING OF A.I.
SYSTEMS AND TALKING ABOUT THE
BRAINS BEING CREATED IN THESE
SYSTEMS CAN SURPASS THE HUMAN
BRAIN AND MAY OVERTAKE US
EVENTUALLY IS THE CONCERN.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THIS?
>> A.I. IS A REAL GAME CHANGER
TECHNOLOGY ON THE ORDER OF
MAGNITUDE OF THE INVENTION OF
THE INTERNET AND THINGS GOING
MOBILE.
A THIRD BIG GAME CHANGER.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT LARGE
TECHNOLOGY SHIFTS BEFORE
INCLUDING BIG TECH WE HAVE BEEN
SLOW TO ADDRESS BIAS IN THE
SYSTEMS IN MY VIEW POLITICAL
BIAS.
THIS GOES TO A BROADER POINT OF
NEEDING TO PUT IN PLACE BASELINE
PROTECTIONS ACROSS ALL
TECHNOLOGY PLATFORMS TO MAKE
SURE THEY AREN’T DEVELOPED IN A
WAY TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST
VIEWPOINTS.
THIS PAUSE GIVES US OPPORTUNITY
TO DO THAT IT’S A GOOD THING.
>> Martha: ONE OF THE THINGS
DESCRIBED TO ME AS A SCENARIO IS
BASICALLY BENDING THE REALITY OF
AN EVENT.
SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, CHINA WANTED
TO INVADE TAIWAN, TO PUT OUT
THE THAT, YOU KNOW, TAIWAN HAD
DONE SOMETHING.
THEY HAD SHOT DOWN A CHINESE
PLANE.
IF YOU FLOOD ALL OF THE SOCIAL
MEDIA, ALL OF THE REALITIES WITH
THIS KIND OF SCENARIO YOU CAN
CREATE SOMETHING THAT APPEARS TO
BECOME REALITY AND IS NOT.
THAT IS TRULY SCARY.
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
PART OF WHAT TIES BACK TO THE
TIKTOK CONVERSATION.
WE HAD THAT BLOCKBUSTER HEARING
LAST WEEK.
THE REPUBLICAN LEADER OF THE
COMMITTEE CHAIR ROGERS DESERVES
A LOT OF CREDIT FOR PUTTING A
MASTER CLASS OF THE HEARING
BRINGING TOGETHER REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS AND UNITED IN
AGREEING THAT TIKTOK POSES AN
UNACCEPTABLE NATIONAL SECURITY
THREAT.
A CONCERN ABOUT POTENTIAL USE OF
TIKTOK FOR FOREIGN INFLUENCE
CAMPAIGNS.
I THINK THAT HEARING
FUNDAMENTALLY SHIFTED THE NATURE
OF THE CONVERSATION IN
WASHINGTON ABOUT TIKTOK FROM A
QUESTION OF WHETHER WE SHOULD
BAN IT TO HOW EXACTLY DO WE DO
IT AND WHEN DO WE DO THAT.
THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT MOMENT IN
THIS DISCUSSION.
>> Martha: YOU TALK ABOUT HOW WE
WOULD DO THAT.
TODAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OFF A
LOT OF GOVERNMENT DEVICES.
HOW DO YOU CHECK AND KNOW WHOSE
DEVICES IT IS ON AND WHOSE IT
ISN’T ON?
>> A SIGNIFICANT STEP IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION.
FEDERAL DEVICE BAN AND SOMEONE
WORKS IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
GUIDANCE GOING AROUND TO DO IT
AND CAN DO IT.
WE NEED TO GO BEYOND THE FEDERAL
DEVICE BAN.
INDIA IMPOSED A FULL NATIONWIDE
BAN ON TIKTOK.
THAT’S WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO.
I THINK THAT’S WHERE WE WILL GET
TO.
THIS HEARING ONE OF THE MOST
SIGNIFICANT POINTS OF THAT WAS
DEMOCRAT CONGRESSMAN RANKING
MEMBER AT THE OUTSET TOOK HEAD
ON THE THING CALLED PROJECT
TEXAS, THE MITIGATION PLAN THAT
TIKTOK IS TRYING TO SELL TO THE
GOVERNMENT FOR TWO YEARS.
HE DIDN’T HAVE CONFIDENCE EVEN
IF WE DID PROJECT TEXAS IT WOULD
STOP THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF
CHINA FROM CONTROLLING TIKTOK.
A SIGNIFICANT MOMENT.
>> Martha: STUNNING THAT CHINA
HAS A SIMILAR VERSION OF TIKTOK
BUT REALLY NOT.
IT PUSHES OUT EDUCATIONAL,
PATRIOTIC, HISTORIC INFORMATION.
THEY TURN THE WHOLE THING OFF AT
10:00 AT NIGHT.
OMAR SAYS SHE DOESN’T WANT OUR
COUNTRY TO HAVE THAT KIND OF
CONTROL OVER WHAT PEOPLE READ
AND SEE.
HERE SHE IS.
>> CONGRESSWOMAN DO YOU SUPPORT
A TIKTOK BAN?
>> I DO NOT.
WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW
IN CONGRESS IS CENSORSHIP, IT IS
AGAINST THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND
IS GOING TO DISENFRANCHISE SO
MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
I WANT THE PEOPLE TO BE AWAKENED
TO THE REALITY WHAT THIS
RHETORIC IS PRODUCING AND IT IS
NOT TO PROTECT THEM.
>> Martha: YOU JUST SAID,
COMMISSIONER, YOU THINK IT WILL.
WE ARE HEADED TOWARD A
NATIONWIDE BAN.
SHE THINKS NOT.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
>> I THINK PART WHAT IS BEING
REFLECTED IS THE IMMENSE
POPULARITY OF THE APPLICATION.
150 MILLION AMERICANS ARE USING
IT.
SURPRISING NUMBER.
THIS ARGUMENT THAT WE CAN’T BAN
TIKTOK CONSISTENT WITH THE FIRST
AMENDMENT IS NOT CORRECT.
SUPREME COURT CASE LAW WHEN YOU
TARGET AN ENTITY FOR THE
CONDUCT.
THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF OUR
NATIONAL SECURITY LAW.
YOU CAN BAN IT WITHOUT
TRIGGERING FIRST AMENDMENT
SCRUTINY.
I THINK THE EVIDENCE HERE IS SO
OVERWHELMINGLY CLEAR.
THEY HAVE SAID FOR YEARS DON’T
WORRY, THIS DATA DOESN’T EXIST
IN CHINA.
THEY DENIED SURVEILLING THE
LOCATION OF U.S. JOURNALISTS BUT
THEY DID THAT.
F.B.I., D.O.J. RIGHT NOW HAVE AN
INVESTIGATION UNDERWAY FOR THAT
SURVEILLANCE.
JUST YESTERDAY THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION’S TOP DIRECTOR OF
CYBERSECURITY SAID SHE WOULD
SUPPORT A NATIONWIDE BAN.
I THINK WE’RE HEADING IN THAT
DIRECTION.
INCUMBENT TO MAKE THE CASE
PLAINLY TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT WE’RE
DOING.
>> Martha: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE, SIR.
>> Bill: VERY INTERESTING.
TALKING EARLIER TODAY.
NOT SO SURE THE TIKTOK ISN’T
GOING TO GO THROUGH.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS HEADED THAT
WAY TWO WEEKS AGO.
NOW LOOK AT IT.
>> Martha: THE SIGNS THE
PROTESTORS V IN WASHINGTON,
PRESENT PRODUCED, BEAUTIFULLY
MADE.
MY BUSINESS WAS HELPED BY
TIKTOK.
A TREMENDOUS LOBBY EFFORT ON THE
SIDE OF TIKTOK.
POINT OUT TO PARENTS, YOU CAN
BAN IT TODAY IN YOUR HOME.
BAN IT FROM YOUR CHILDREN.
YOU CAN STAND UP TO THEM AND SAY
I DON’T THINK THIS IS HEALTHY
FOR YOU TO SPEND THIS AMOUNT OF
TIME LOOKING AT THIS
INFORMATION.
EVERYONE HAS THE OPTION TO START
BANNING IT THEMSELVES IF THEY
DECIDE THEY WANT TO DO THAT AND
PERHAPS THE COUNTRY WILL FOLLOW.
>> Bill: ON A.I. THE LEARNING
CURVE IS LIKE THIS.
SEE WHETHER OR NOT MUSK AND
OTHERS CAN GET THE SIX MONTH
TIME-OUT.
>> Martha: HE HAS BEEN WRITING