Today as they are in Washington,
we're going to be talking about
political violence,
what happened on January 6th.
And what the American people think
about, what they know about it, and
some of those conceptions that they
continue to hold.
And mainly we have to talk about
the results of this fascinating
poll that was put out by Yahoo.
And YuGov, asking the American
people and breaking them down into
different groups about different
facets of January 6th some
of the common misconceptions.
So hold on to your butts, things
are about to get a little bit wild.
Let's bring up one of
the infographics and we'll see what
we can do learn from this.
Now, I guess, sort of Mile High
view the purple.is,
the one that you're going to want
to focus on that's all US adults.
And then we can get down into
the democrats versus republicans so
that we can fundamentally lose any
remaining faith we
have in humanity.
But overall the American people
believe the majority slightly more
than 60% that it was Trump's
supporters who gathered at
the US Capitol because of course
that's what they were.
They had the flags,
they went to the speech,
they love the man.
They did what he told them to do,
all of their social media
data backs it up.
But then once you look at the
Democrats and at the Republicans,
very big divergence.
Close to 90 percent of Democrats
acknowledge that it was
trump supporters who were there.
Just slightly more than 40 percent
admit that at least some of them
were trump supporters.
And you can see the same sort of
gap when it comes to
the election being, stolen,
obviously Republicans believe that
it was stolen.
Who sort of led to it inspired
it in some part, and
the republicans there don't want to
acknowledge that.
They don't want to talk about
the fact that week's worth of
propaganda from right-wing media
Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani.
Jenna Ferris all
of those other Jenna Ellis I
should say all of those
others might have inspired that.
So they weren't involved.
It wasn't that bad, but
if it was bad, it was
probably an Tifa as we'll get to.
So anyway, look, later on the show
we're going to get to the actual
effort to set up a January 6
commission but right off the bat.
You can see that It seems like
the American people are in need of
some accurate information because
they've come to some fairly
insane conclusions.
>> Yeah, this is not a thing that's
a dispute.
I mean, look,
most of the things that Republicans
believe are not in dispute.
But this one is brazen because they
were literally waving Trump flags
as they were entering.
And it's not we all saw it,
so sometimes you'll get completely
different news on Fox News or
News Max or OAN.
And they're notorious liars and
they'll have conversations about
whether Hugo Chaves.
Who died years ago actually rigged
the election and stuff.
But you don't see Hugo Chaves and
a lot of them don't know that
Hugo Chaves is dead and totally
irrelevant to our elections?
But we saw the flags, we know
that Trump gave his speech, we know
that was the day the certification
in the Trump people were mad.
And the left wing was not mad and
they were not there.
Yet it nothing matters,
including what you can see with
the naked eye what you could I mean
that right there.
And so nonetheless, three quarters
of Republicans I mean,
look here, let's get specific about
this right.
We have in terms of yeah,
it's about three quarters,
three quarters of Republicans
saying I'm not full, 73% pin.
Quote some or
a great deal of responsibility on
left wing protesters trying to
make Trump look bad.
That's just nuts, that's just nuts,
there is no other explanation and
there is no all my opinion is this
and, hey, we can agree to disagree.
This is a feels like Ron Burgundy
here, no,
this is not an ingredient disagree.
This is your frickin nuts and
it's not even, disputable if you
will Rashad take it away.
>> I think I figured it out, okay.
So here's what's happening,
if you will believe that Jesus is
a white dude from Europe.
Contrary to Historical evidence or
anything else,
you will probably believe anything.
And I think that taking
advantage of these folks, but
there was a time and we said things
like the truth needs no defense,
that's a damn lie.
We are obviously living in an era
where the truth needs to be
defended more than anything else
because of what's happening.
And the tribalism of politics,
you have clear and concise factual
information, you have data,
you have eyewitness testimony and
you have video.
You get no more clear than that in
this era.
However, the vast majority
of Republicans and
look at this disconnect,
the vast majority of Republicans
are still believing the lie.
The lie that's contrary to
the truth, the lie that was placed.
By a strategic
narrative that said what is,
is not and what is not is, and
because of that, what Republicans
have figured out and Trump figured
this out a long time ago.
He can literally say anything, and
there's a section of the republican
party that will believe him.
Now remember guys,
this was at around 30 to 35%.
>> Yeah. >> Now you have 60 to 80%
of Republicans believing the lie
when the truth is in front of them.
>> It's so frustrating,
you laid out perfectly, but the.
The antiva thing is really amazing.
They say it was all like think
about all of what you have to
believe for any of that to make
sense the different like twists and
turns your brain has to make.
So Donald Trump spent literally
weeks going around the country
telling people that the election
have been stolen.
And that the six was going to
be a day when finally that theft
could be avenged, and
he told all of them.
Weeks and weeks to stop the steal
people told them weeks and weeks or
two Giuliani was going around
Lynwood, all them going around,
everybody go to DC, so
they did all that.
Nobody showed up.
No Republicans,
no Trump supporters,
they just abandoned him,
leaving room for
all left wingers to come in and
the left wingers.
Went to a Trump speech and they
cheered at all the lines and he
loved the reaction he was getting.
Or in theory,
some Republicans showed up but
then when Trump said okay,
now go to the Capitol.
They all just again abandoned him
and walked away to be replaced
by left wing protesters.
And then the left wing protesters
who had bought the mogga hats and
the flags and all of that.
Who'd spent months prepping for
this filling their social media
feed with stuff about how much they
love Trump and how republicans
are great and everything.
Then are so invested in this,
they're willing to get arrested by
the hundreds that are now paying
the price at like and
that is the cost they had to pay to
make Trump pay.
But despite that, for some reason,
the Capitol Police and
the democrats who are trying to get
as many of them.
Arrested as possible are not doing
a good thing, even though they're
arresting left wing and
Tifa provocateur.
So, I don't know if that makes
sense, but that's what they say.
And I think that's really how we
have to put it,
I still have some faith in polls.
I think the polls can teach us
things, but not necessarily
the things that they imply.
I don't think three-fourths of
Republicans believe that it was
left wing Provocateur or whatever.
I think that they will say that to
pollsters because they have
absolutely no respect.
For pollsters, science facts,
whatever.
They don't answer things as
a reflection of what they
really believe they answer it like
they want.
But that doesn't mean
that it doesn't matter
that they answer that.
Let's bring up one of
the infographics and
we'll see what we can do.
We might put time into trying to
change their minds, but their minds
don't need to be changed nor
can they be changed.
They know what they want and
what they want is permanent
republican rule,
with Trump as their figurehead.
And to some extent while I care
about the truth, and
I like doing fact checking.
Wasting our time trying to
change the minds of people who
are fundamentally lying about
literally everything.
Is like Joe mentioned strategy of
finding 10 good
republicans out there.
And they're kind of working in
the same direction.
We don't need them nor
can we get them in the same way
that Joe Manchin doesn't really
care about and isn't going to get
Republican senators on his side.
What we need to do, hopefully is
the democrats to set all that aside
realize that they were voted in
office to accomplish things.
And make it happen whether that's
a January six Commission,
before the people acted
infrastructure bill, whatever.
It's the same issue,
it's just obstruction,
it just comes in multiple forms.
>> So, John, do sports,
I agree with parts I disagree with
actually in what you said.
I agree with you that they're not
scared of these people at
all because when they see those
people they see them, right?
They think well those guys wouldn't
harm me, they are me, right?
If they saw black lives matter
protesters storming the Campbell,
it would scare the living Dejesus
out of them.
It's either they were
really antifa,
they'd be like, my God, they'd buy
3 locks four shotguns etc.
They're coming to my house,
I'm not going to let them etc, but
then I do any of that.
So at the same time, and
I know that these are two thoughts
you cannot have at same time.
But I think the Republican mind is
broken.
And so I think it's possible to
have two thoughts that
are completely contradictory in
their mind at the same time.
Which is not mascara these people,
they look like me, they are me?
They wouldn't hurt me at all, we
would hurt people together, okay.
But at the same time I
think they really believe no,
we are above fault.
We are beyond reproach,
we would never do anything wrong.
The only people breaking the law
are black people and
left wingers by definition, but so
it must have been.
>> But I think that's
consistent with them not thinking
that what was done was wrong.
>> No, no, they don't think it was
wrong at all, and in fact now we
share the poles incredible scary
poll from yesterday saying that.
Over 40% of people who consume far
right wing media but by the way, so
that's not Fox News,
that's Newsmax etc, etc.
But for Fox News 27% these
are giant numbers saying that it's
time to resort to violence,
the right wingers saying time to
resort to violence.
Now Matt gave me a talked about
resorting to violence like they're
talking about Second Amendment
against the government etc.
No, it's over,
they think they've lost for
good in a democracy.
And they're now literally rising up
against our democracy and
try to install authoritarianism and
treating them like the old ways.
Where we think he said,
she said I can't let's be no, no,
no, guys are democracies in mortal
danger, especially with Democrats
being this incompetent in charge.
Because those guys,
all those Republicans,
they're going to show up to
vote again, no question about it.
The only question is are Democrats
and independents going to show
up and if we do nothing,
we endanger the Republic, Rashad.
>> Yeah, so what you're describing
is actually indoctrination.
And indoctrination is when you're
unable to critically think about
what you believe.
And so indoctrination exhibits
itself in contradiction,
that's how it expresses itself.
So you could literally have
variations of thought that are at
face value contradictory.
But because you are indoctrinated
and unable to critically think
about what you actually believe,
all of these thoughts can coexist
at the same time.
>> Yeah. >> And
you have now devolved into
a reactionary individual based on
stimuli of your atmosphere.
Regardless of truth,
you're not seeking truth.
You don't care about truth,
you have now been desensitized
to truth.
And I think that's what
you're saying, and
we saw it systematically happened.
Donald Trump, let's be very clear
about who Donald Trump is.
And I hope history gets this right,
Donald Trump radicalized American
citizens to become domestic
terrorist.
That's what actually happened.
Now we can keep calling
them protesters, it doesn't fit.
They acted and engaged in acts of
terrorism, because terrorism is
defined as criminality, aggression.
And all of those elements to
persuade influence politics,
that's exactly what happened.
Well, who radicalized this group,
Donald Trump did.
And I know we looked at the speech
and we say, Man, he gave this
speech, and that speech is what
became the catalyst for
them to do what they did.
On January 6, no, he gave speeches
for five damn years.
This man has been giving speeches
for years before president and
while being president.
And then he indoctrinated this
group radicalized this group and
created American terrorists out of
this group, and they did exactly
what he told him to do.
Those are the facts of
what happened with Donald J Trump.
We literally
had an American president.
Who became a terrorist leader in
the United States of America?
>> And when you look at the polling
of a giant chunk of Republican
voters saying it's time for
violence, that's exactly what we're
talking about, and
it's indisputable.
>> Yeah. >> And that
number is going up, by the way.
>> Yeah. >> That number will not go
down, that number will go up.
>> Yes, and guys, if you say well,
okay but
73% of Fox News voters don't yet
want to do violence, good, but
are you comforted by 27%?
Are you comforted that it's over
40% figure who was 41 or 48 but
over 40% of people who watch
News Max and listen
to Breitbart said those guys.
There're nearly half
saying, let's go.
Let's go, let's start committing
violence against the left,
against the government.
Matt Gaetz talked about, no,
you should use the Second Amendment
now against the government.
Now it's not about hunting,
it's not about sports,
he just said it.
No, they're all
going in a violent direction.
>> Or against Twitter.
>> Yeah- >> Or whatever.
>> Yeah >> Yeah, yeah.
>> And it never takes the majority.
The majority is never
the prerequisite when you look at
uprisings that have happened in
this nation.
And also against,
let's say the Native Americans.
Let's say against black who
were slaves.
It was a minority of the population
who engaged in actual violent
criminality.
The real question is,
how many of that 70 plus percent
are willing to sit back and
say absolutely nothing?
Because that's how the violence
prevails.
If you have people who are not
engaged in the violence, willing to
allow the violence to continue.
>> Yeah, And
last thing is Rashad again put it
so well when he said they get we're
desensitized to the truth because
now we've seen 1000 of these.
These polls but here's another one
confirming them, only 18% of
Republicans it's not people who
watch X, Y or Z all Republicans.
18% say that Biden won the election
fair and square.
Two-thirds, 64% believe
the election was rigged and
stolen from Trump 64%, and
even more 72% say.
They had that enough fraud occurred
in 2020 to influence the outcome
of the election.
Okay, well, let's take this 64% of
who those republicans say no,
it's literally stolen from now.
Donald Trump is the actual
president and Joe Biden and
God knows who else Hugo Chavez etc.
Rig the machines and
he's not actually the president.
That is super dangerous,
because I know how livid I would be
if I was positive that they had
stolen the election.
If Trump stole the election and
became basically authoritarian.
Instead, I don't care who like on
January 6,
let's say they took the cap or
whatever however they did it.
If I thought it was stolen,
well then I would be, >> Crazy
to be >> Beyond furious and they
got them to actually believe that,
it the election wasn't real.
So no wonder they're saying,
well what do we do next?
>> We can >> We couldn't win
through politics, so
the only thing left is violence.
And that's where we are as
a country now saying so
the grotesque lies of Donald Trump.
And the weak, pathetic republican
politicians who cater to him who
became dogs to him.
But finally, it is a full circle, I
want to explain, this is important.
Donald Trump is a con man.
He would not have said those things
to Republican voters, if he didn't
think they would be well received.
>> Yep.
>> He would have said different
things because he's
looking to con them so
that they give him power and money.
And he got a sense and this is
the only thing he's good at.
He got a sense that I can calm
these people if I give them what
they want and what they want is to
rule over everyone else that does
not look like them.
They really want it,
that's what they always wanted and
they do not want to lose that power
under any circumstance.
Democracy in America be damned.
>> Yeah.
>> Unfortunately,
that's the current state of
the Republican Party right now.
And whether it's mainstream media
or whoever else,
they need to wake up and see it.
I mean, the people that need to see
the most are mansions,
cinema and Biden.
Well, you're not going to work with
people who are now beginning to
think about your violent overthrow.
When is it going to get through
your very, very thick skull that
this is not the Republican Party
you grew up with in 1868 or
whatever, actually?
[LAUGH] >> That would be a very
different Republican Party.
>> Mitch McConnell, but yeah.
>> Yeah, no,
this is not Bob Dole, okay.
This is not Georgia Romney there
are no Rockefeller republicans
left.
So both the Democratic leadership
and the media have to wake up.
This is a super dangerous situation
>> And the only last point that I
want to make is and
to piggyback on what Rashad said
those other movements and other
countries who might have seen.
That have been able to overthrow
governments or
whatever you think of them as
fringe things communicating through
underground radio and pamphlets or
social media more recently.
But this one has the biggest media
apparatuses in the country like
the single biggest cable news show
is a constant apologist for
their acts of terrorism.
And he would be if they had
succeeded, if they had killed Mike
Pence, he would have still done
a sympathetic monologue about them.
When they try again in the future
Tucker Carlson will defend them.
They are not going to be just sort
of hoping to get through as
mainstream media crushes and
whatever.
They have the mainstream media on
their side as they move in
this anti democratic and
violent direction.