You said the
other day
Donald Trump is a TV star
and nothing more, nothing less.
And the quote,
if we put him back in the White House,
the reruns will be worse
than the original show was.
Why worse Oh, because he's so angry now.
He's angry and he's vengeful.
And he said, I will be your retribution.
Well,
I don't think I don't want him to be
my retribution.
I don't need him to do that.
And I don't think anybody in
America needs it either.
He wants to be retribution for himself.
I am convinced that
if he goes back to the White House
that the next four years
will all be about him
just settling scores, Anderson,
with everybody
who he thinks
wasn't perfectly nice to him.
You know, and the bottom line is that
if you get lucky enough
to become the president, United States
every day, you should wake up,
think about what you do
for the people of this country,
not what scores
you need to settle for yourself.
And he has shown himself,
and I think most particularly
in his post-presidency,
to be completely self-centered,
completely self consumed
and doesn't give a damn
about the American people, in my view,
if what the American people want
is in conflict
with what Donald Trump
thinks is best for him.
And I don't think that's who
he wants it
behind the desk in the Oval Office.
I want to ask you about the indictments
that we've seen yesterday.
Former Attorney General Bill Barr
called the indictment,
quote, very damning.
And he said
if even half of it is true,
then he's toast your former U.S.
attorney. Is he right?
It is a very tight,
very detailed evidence laden indictment.
And the context in there is is awful.
I mean, put aside
taking the documents in the first place.
But then when you start
getting asked, Anderson, in May of 21
nicely with a letter
from the archivist saying,
could you please give it back?
And you ignore it, ignore it, ignore it,
then they come
with the grand jury subpoena.
And then according to the indictment,
you tell your lawyers,
tell them we don't have anything.
Even though you have dozens
and dozens of boxes of material,
that's obstruction of justice
if it's true.
And so I think the former
attorney general is absolutely right.
And look,
I did this for seven years in New Jersey.
We did 130 political
corruption prosecutions without a loss.
What I could tell you for sure
I know by that indictment
is there's probably about a third
of the evidence they actually have
is in that indictment.
There's a lot more
there would guarantee
be a lot more when you're a prosecutor.
You never put every card on the table
before the trial.
And so there's going to be
a lot more indictments.
I mean, I have a lot of experience
with indictments.
This one is very detailed.
It is.
It's what we call in the business
of speaking indictment.
Because remember,
when you're the prosecutor,
you can't comment beyond
what's in the four corners
of that document.
So I think the Jack Smith understood
that the American people was going,
we're going to need
a fulsome explanation.
If you're going to bring an indictment
against the former
president, United States,
and I think he was right.
So that is much more detail
than you'd see in the typical indictment.
But also, don't be fooled.
There's a lot more information to come
when they go to trial.
Specifically,
I think
there are going to be a lot of witnesses
who actually worked for Donald Trump
who are now going
to be testifying against in
the 37 counts.
What to you is the most egregious? Well,
the most.
Can I get the three? Most.
I mean, you know,
because there's so much.
I mean, first.
First.
It's the nature of the documents
that he kept.
I mean, battle plans against Iran,
nuclear secrets.
The Presidential Daily Brief,
which has the most important
intelligence information
that that anyone in the country can get.
These are not his personal documents.
This isn't like
his doodle notes on his pad
or like a nice, you know,
newspaper article about himself.
These are intelligence
documents created by the government.
And they say it's our property
and the government's
supposed to have that stuff
not laying around.
That's one, too,
to suggest to your lawyers
that they should lie
in response to a grand jury subpoena.
I've had a number of people ask me,
why did his lawyer
make those voice memos about each meeting
I know why he did
because this guy was asking him
to lie and break the law
and he wanted to contemporaneous
recording of exactly
what was happening when it was happening,
because he also knew that Donald Trump,
as he's done before,
would throw his lawyer under the bus
and say the lawyer was lying.
The third thing
is he
is voluntarily
putting our country through this.
If at any point before the search
in August of 22,
he had just done what anyone
I suspect in
this audience would have done
which is say,
all right, you're serious,
you're serving a grand jury subpoena.
Let me just give the documents back.
He wouldn't have been charged.
Wouldn't he be charged with anything,
even though he had kept them
for almost a year and a half.
None of this had to have.
None of this would have.
This is all him saying again, it's
what I'm saying at the top.
He's saying
I'm more important than the country.
These are my papers.
He saw in the indictment
that his employees were scared.
There was his boxes, his boxes.
He wants his boxes near him.
He flew the boxes up to New Jersey
for summer vacation.
What is this like?
They're a family member.
I mean, seriously,
I got my boxes with the.
And let me ask you a question.
What exactly was he doing with them?
Did someone remind him
he's not the president anymore?
You don't need these things anymore.
This is vanity run amok, Anderson.
Run amok, ego run amuck.
And he is now going to put this country
through this
when we didn't have to go through it.
Everyone's blaming the prosecutors.
He did it.
It's his conduct, you know very well.
Why do you think he did it?
I mean, he couldn't
he cannot live
with the fact that he lost to Joe Biden.
He can't live with it.
And look,
I watched the way Joe
Biden is performing.
I'd be pretty bummed out to
if I'd lost to Joe Biden.
But the fact is he did
and he wants to continue
to pretend he's president.
He wants the trappings of the presidency
around him.
And I think one of those trappings is
these documents
that he could wave around
to people as they detailed
the indictment.
This is secret. I can't show you.
I might have been able to show you,
but now I can't.
But this is what it's about.
I had someone call me
right after the raid
last August and say,
you know him so well.
Is he trying to sell these things
to a foreign government?
Is he trying to blackmail someone?
I said, oh, for God's sake, stop.
This is just to show off.
Just to show off.
And it turned out to be right This.
And that's
what makes it so ridiculous
that we're here
and we're in a situation
where there are people in my own party
who are blaming DOJ
How about blame him?
He did it.
He kept
he took documents
he wasn't supposed to take.
He kept it
when they asked him back for them.
They got a grand jury subpoena.
He refused to comply.
They raided his home finally
because he refused to comply
that all of those things
were brought on himself,
as was this indicted.
Actually, one of
a number of prominent Republicans
have been reluctant
to talk about the substance
of actually what I know
and I know you've noticed,
including Florida Governor Ron DeSantis,
he tweeted, quote,
The weaponization
of federal law enforcement represents
a mortal threat to a free society.
Why do you think they're not addressing
what's actually in the indictment?
Because it's indefensible
and they're playing games.
Look, you all need to know this.
They're playing political games with you
because they think
if you kind of like Trump a little bit
and I don't see anything bad about Trump
and then Trump
kind of implodes and goes away,
then you're more likely to vote for me.
How about we do this?
How about you decide
who is the most honest forthright leader
who has common sense
and will put you first?
And let's put that person
behind the desk in the Oval Office.
How about we stop these games?
And I think that's a game
where you want to look.
I've said this before, Anderson.
I was someone who thought
Hillary Clinton
should have been prosecuted,
and I think it was wrong.
And I think
Jim Comey made a mess of the FBI
and he made a mess of that case.
Loretta Lynch,
I don't know what she was thinking about
in letting Jim Comey announce
that no reasonable prosecutor
would prosecute that case.
He's the FBI director.
It's not your decision.
It's the attorney general's decision.
And that has made some Republicans
rightfully
feel like there's two standards
We can have that argument.
And we should
we should have that argument
because it's wrong.
And I could say this
if I'm president United States,
one thing you can count on for sure
there's going to be the attorney general
who I say to him or her, day one,
go to your job.
And unless you need me for something,
leave me alone.
Just go and do your job
without fear or favor or partizanship.
And that's what we need
as an attorney general.
And I think we can have
that argument, discussion, and we should
but that should not allow
these other candidates to then say,
oh, but I don't want to talk about
anything else.
I saw Lee Zeldin yesterday
tying himself in knots to not answer.
What do you think of the conduct?
Look, everybody,
whether you like Donald Trump
or you don't like Donald Trump,
this conduct is inexcusable.
In my opinion,
for somebody who wants to be president of
the United States.
Let's say, for instance,
I'm looking at these two
leading candidates right now
at Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
Let's say
it's 60 years now
since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Let's say there was a Cuban missile
crisis again.
And by the way, China
is putting surveillance
in Cuba as we speak.
So this is not a farfetched example.
Do you think Joe Biden
can actually handle it?
Do you think he's up to it at his age?
And secondly,
would you trust Donald Trump's judgment
after all of this
to handle something like that?
I think the answer to both
those questions is no,
and that's why I'm running for president.
The special counsel
Jack Smith has said
he wants a speedy trial
while protecting the former
president's rights.
Do you think this will go
to trial before the election?
Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
I think a guilty election
I think he'd go to trial this winter
because I want to get to in the weeds
as a former prosecutor.
But they have something in South
Florida called the rocket docket.
Their district,
southern district of Florida,
that cares about the speedy trial act,
which says
70 days
from the day of your initial appearance,
which is tomorrow.
Now, they won't do that
because it's too complex a case.
But can I see this case
going to trial in six to eight months
from tomorrow? I could.