JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally, we return to the Harvey Weinstein story and new revelations about
the great lengths he allegedly went to in order to quash stories, silence his accusers
and intimidate journalists.
The latest investigation in "The New Yorker" magazine chronicles those efforts.
It includes details of how Weinstein hired private investigative firms to collect damaging
information on his accusers, including one that used former Israeli intelligence agents
to allegedly befriend and spy on actress Rose McGowan.
McGowan has alleged that Weinstein raped her.
He has denied that accusation.
And his spokeswomen told "The New Yorker": "It is a fiction to suggest that any individuals
were targeted or suppressed at any time."
That's a quote.
Ronan Farrow is the journalist behind this investigation, and he joins me now.
Ronan Farrow, this is a stunning collection of reporting.
Do we know what triggered these actions on Harvey Weinstein's part?
RONAN FARROW, "The New Yorker": Yes, Judy, in the fall of last year, women began to speak
to reporters and speak publicly in some cases.
Most prominently, perhaps, Rose McGowan tweeted, describing, in her words, her rapist, and
implying heavily that that was Harvey Weinstein.
This was one of several factors that precipitated this rush to staff up with criminal defense
attorneys and private investigation firms, and, as you just described, to engage in some
pretty aggressive human intelligence tactics.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, who -- what kind of folks work at these investigative agencies?
What do they do?
RONAN FARROW: You know, those are an array of firms, and they would say that their work
is very legitimate and that they do all sorts of open-source research for clients and consulting
for clients.
But, certainly, in some cases, for Harvey Weinstein, these firms were either, A, compiling
information that was specifically, according to the documents that we have, designed to
undermine and smear people, both women with allegations and reporters, and in other cases
were actually engaging in hands-on human intelligence tactics, insinuating themselves into people's
lives using false identities.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Using false identities.
And, specifically, what happened with Rose McGowan, the actor?
RONAN FARROW: A woman calling herself Diana Filip of Reuben Capital Partners, a wealth
management firm in London, reached out to McGowan through agents working with her, and
over the course of several months met with her repeatedly, offering to invest in her
company and to enlist her in a women's rights campaign, and, over the course of those meetings,
recorded secretly tens of hours of audio that were then relayed back to Weinstein in the
form of transcripts.
That same Diana Filip reached out to me, actually reached out to and successfully met with another
reporter, Ben Wallace of "New York Magazine," multiple times, posing as a woman with allegations.
She used several identities.
And the truth of the matter, Judy, is that she was an undercover operative working for
this Israeli intelligence firm Black Cube.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, using a false identity, talking to you.
What kinds of questions was she asking you?
RONAN FARROW: Well, in my case, she reached out repeatedly, both through representatives
of mine and directly to me in e-mails, and I didn't respond.
A representative of mine, a speaking agent that she got to, did speak to her and found
it suspicious that she was demanding a meeting before discussing a supposed speaking engagement
that she wanted to approach me about.
And so it didn't go farther than that.
But, as I said, you know, this was a tactic used on a number of reporters.
And, in some cases, this resulted in meetings, with this woman, using a range of identities,
posing as a source.
JUDY WOODRUFF: You also point out -- and you referred to this a minute ago -- that Weinstein
used -- tried to use and then did use his own attorney, David Boies of the law firm
Boies, Schiller, Flexner.
Boies is of course well-known.
He represented Al Gore in the 2000 election.
What happened there?
RONAN FARROW: David Boies is someone that I know well.
He used to appear on my show.
He's extremely well-regarded in many circles.
And he personally signed contracts directing undercover operatives for Black Cube to kill
a New York Times story about the Weinstein allegations and to obtain a manuscript of
Rose McGowan's in-progress book, which they believed would contain rape allegations.
And they were successful in sending to Weinstein numerous transcripts describing the contents
of that book.
Now, David Boies' role in this is interesting.
And he has defended his actions in detail in the story.
We quote him at length.
I had many conversations with him.
But it certainly raises questions, because his firm was representing The New York Times
while this all happened.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Right, which is another part of this.
But I was just going to read part of the statement that David Boies put out today.
He said: "Had I known at the time that this contract would have been used for the services
that I now understand it was used for, I would never have signed it or been associated in
any way with this effort."
So, he's not denying that it happened, but he's saying he didn't know.
RONAN FARROW: Look, he confirmed all of this in our conversations, which again are quoted
on the record in the story.
As well, you know, he also said he regretted it at the time.
He is now saying in a still more forceful way that he regrets it and even that he didn't
understand fully what services he was contracting for.
But I will say, Judy, that the contract is extremely explicit, and it is one of several
that either he or his firm signed.
JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to ask you also about the fact that there were -- you name at least
one journalist, a person you describe as a chef content officer at "The National Enquirer,"
who seemed to be working -- or helping Harvey Weinstein.
RONAN FARROW: In that case, Dylan Howard, who is the editor in chief of "The National
Enquirer" and works at the company that publishes "The National Enquirer," as you said, did
exchange e-mails with Harvey Weinstein in which he appeared to be collaborating with
Weinstein, generating lists of people to contact, and having several reporters working for him
reach out to those women, secretly record the conversation with a woman in one case,
and relay back to Weinstein information about those interviews.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Ronan Farrow, are we -- where are we in this Harvey Weinstein reporting?
Is it your sense, after spending a lot of time, months on this, that we now have a pretty
full sense of what happened?
RONAN FARROW: You know, Judy, I wish I could say that were the case.
There is still much more to learn about the ways in which the powerful elites of this
country manipulate the media and manipulate people coming forward with important allegations,
the way in which the tools of the kinds described in this article can forestall the public dissemination
of allegations and also potentially in some cases criminal proceedings about them.
We are seeing that only now are law enforcement agencies really picking up the baton, where
it was dropped so often before in the Weinstein case.
I think this is a much bigger issue than has even been unpacked so far, and that the reporting
is going to continue to go on about this.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, a lot of disturbing information here.
Ronan Farrow, writing for "The New Yorker" magazine, thank you very much.
RONAN FARROW: Thank you, Judy.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And a postscript.
In the wake of the Weinstein stories, there have been a number of other accusations of
assault or harassment brought to light.
At NPR, the head of news, Michael Oreskes, resigned after accusations of sexual harassment
from a number of women.
This evening, Jarl Mohn, the CEO of NPR, says that he is going on medical leave for a month.
Mohn cites the fact that he suffers from hypertension at a dangerous level.
In a letter to staff, he apologizes, saying that he could have handled the allegations
against Oreskes -- quote -- "faster and more decisively."