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LARRY: WELCOME BACK.
JOINING ME NOW SENATOR KEVIN
CRAMER OF NORTH DAKOTA.
SENATOR CRAMER, WELCOME.
I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON
THIS PRE-DAWN RAID IN
MAR-A-LAGO.
IS THIS A WEAPONIZATION OF THE
ALLEGED LEGAL BEAGLES AT THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OR THE FBI?
HOW DO YOU SEE THIS, SENATOR?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL I THINK
THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
IS TO BE FEARED BY EVERY
AMERICAN AND HAVE FOR A LONG
TIME.
I THINK THE CONCENTRATION OF
POWER THAT THEY HAVE, THE POWER
THEY HAVE EVEN OVER INDIVIDUAL
AGENCIES THROUGH THEIR, THIS
BANK OF LAWYERS THAT ONCE THEY
TAKE ON A CASE THE AGENCY THAT
THEY’RE TAKING IT ON FOR, THAT
THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING
FOR LOSES ALL CONTROL.
I THOUGHT THE DOJ SHOULD BE
BUSTED UP A LONG, LONG TIME AGO
BUT THIS RAID, PARTICULARLY IN
THE CONTEXT OF THE TIMES WE’RE
LIVING IN IS VERY CONCERNING.
LARRY YOU KNOW THEY COULD CLEAR
A LOT OF IT UP WITH A LOT MORE
TRANSPARENCY.
THAT IS NOT A NEW ARGUMENT.
SHOW US THE S&P.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD LIKE THIS
HAPPENS EVERY DAY.
THIS REQUIRES FURTHER
EXPLANATION OR ELSE, WE’RE LEFT
TO PRESUME THE WORST.
LARRY: WELL SHOW US THE WARRANT.
NO ONE CAN SEE THE WARRANT AND
WHETHER THERE IS FOURTH
AMENDMENT IMPLICATIONS HERE.
THE SILENCE IS JUST DEAFENING.
I THINK THAT IS ADDING TO THE
PROBLEM BUT I MEAN, IS THERE A
DOUBLE STANDARD AS GREGG JARRETT
SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO WITH
RESPECT TO CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS?
HILLARY CLINTON WALKED AWAY WITH
THEM.
JAMES COMEY WALKED AWAY WITH
THEM.
BY THE WAY THE FBI HAD THE
HUNTER BIDEN LAPTOP FOR A LONG,
LONG TIME.
DIDN’T TAKE ANY ACTION.
SEEMS LIKE A DOUBLE STANDARD.
IT IS REALLY AIMED AT STOPPING
TRUMP, ISN’T IT?
LOOK, JUST MY VIEW, OKAY, I
DON’T WANT TO GET TOO CRAZY
ABOUT THIS BUT I THINK ALL THIS
STUFF, THEY DON’T WANT
DONALD TRUMP TO RUN FOR
PRESIDENT AGAIN?
>> HERE IS WHAT IS SORT OF
CRAZY, I OFTEN WONDERED ABOUT
THE MOTIVES FOR DEMOCRATS WHEN
THEY DO THESE THINGS.
VERY UNLIKELY ANYTHING THEY
COULD COME UP WITH PREVENT
DONALD TRUMP FROM RUNNING OR
BEING PRESIDENT.
LOOKS LIKE THEY’RE DRIVING HIM
RIGHT INTO THE ARMS OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AT WHICH POINT
ALL OF THIS HISTORY THAT THEY’RE
CREATING FOR THEMSELVES IS NOT
GOING TO ENDEAR THEM ANYMORE TO
THE FUTURE AND FORMER PRESIDENT
IF THAT IS THE CASE.
I FOR THE LIFE OF ME DON’T
UNDERSTAND THEIR STRATEGY, OTHER
THAN THEY ARE SO FUELED BY
HATRED THEY CAN’T EVEN LET A
FORMER PRESIDENT JUST ENJOY HIS,
YOU KNOW, HIS STATUS AS A
RETIRED PRESIDENT.
LARRY: LET’S TURN TO ONE OF THE
WORST BILLS I HAVE EVER SEEN,
THAT IS THE SCHUMER-MANCHIN
RECONCILIATION BILL WHICH I
LABEL AS PATHETIC.
LET ME ASK BUT THE EPA, OKAY?
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT.
YOU AND I WERE TEXTING OVER THE
WEEKEND.
I APPRECIATED THAT.
HOW MUCH NEW POWER AND AUTHORITY
WILL THE EPA HAVE IN THE WAR
AGAINST FOSSIL FUELS?
>> WELL, IT IS, THERE IS NOT A
LOT OF QUOTE AUTHORITY PER SE
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY AND
APPROPRIATIONS.
A LOT OF THE EPA WILL OVERSEE.
A LOT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY
WILL OVERSEE.
ANYTIME YOU HAVE MONEY YOU HAVE
POWER.
WHAT WE WERE TEXTING ABOUT OVER
THE WEEKEND, WHEN I WAS ON WITH
YOU, WHEN AN DID I WHEELER WAS
ON WITH YOU, WE POINTED TO
SPECIFIC APPROPRIATIONS THAT
WERE DESIGNED TO REGULATE THE
POWER SECTOR FOR EXAMPLE, IN
CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CODE WHICH
ARE ABSOLUTELY CONTRARY TO WHAT
THE WEST VIRGINIA VERSUS EPA
RULING WAS.
IRONICALLY JOE MANCHIN AUTHORS A
BILL TRYING TO GIVE EPA MORE
POWER OVER WEST VIRGINIA.
THAT WAS STRUCK, STRICKEN OUT.
SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO AND I HAD
AMENDMENTS TO DIRECTLY ADDRESSED
THIS.
BEFORE OUR AMENDMENTS COULD EVEN
BE VOTED ON THE PARLIAMENTARIAN
RULED THOSE AREAS OUT OF ORDER.
FROM AN AUTHORITY STANDPOINT I
THINK YOU KNOW, SOME DECENT WORK
WAS DONE BUT YOU JUST CAN’T TAKE
$369 BILLION AND SPREAD IT OVER
A FEW AGENCIES AND EXPECT THERE
NOT TO BE SOME, SOME MISCHIEF
THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT MONEY.
LARRY: DON’T KNOW IF YOU SAW
"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL"
EDITORIAL TODAY ON THIS BUT
BJORN LOMBORG, WHO IS A VERY
WELL-REGARDED CLIMATE GUY,
CLIMATE SCIENTIST HE RAN NUMBERS
USING THE U.N. CLIMATE MODEL AND
ALL THE MONEY HAS BEEN PLUGGED
IN THIS TERRIBLE BILL AND SAID
BASICALLY IT WILL HAVE NO
IMPACT, ESSENTIALLY WILL HAVE NO
IMPACT ON GLOBAL WARMING, NONE,
NADA.
NOW WHATEVER, FOUR OR
$500 BILLION LATER, NOTHING IS
CHANGING EXCEPT, I WOULD SAY,
THE WAR AGAINST FOSSIL FUELS AND
THE U.S. CONTINUES AND EPA WILL
BE A LEADER.
>> NO QUESTION ABOUT.
SO TO THAT POINT IF THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA CEASED TO
EXIST TOMORROW, SO THERE IS NO
MORE COAL, NO MORE TRAFFIC, NO
JET AIRPLANES, NO FLAGELLATING
CATTLE, NONE OF THIS AWFUL CO2
GOING INTO THE AIR, FIRST OF ALL
WORLD WOULD DIE OF HUNGER BUT
BEYOND THAT, THE TEMPERATURE
WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE OF .3%
FOREVER.
.3% FOREVER IF WE DIDN’T EXIST.
SO "WALL STREET JOURNAL"
EDITORIAL IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
LARRY, WE HAD A HEARING LAST
WEEK IN THE BANKING COMMITTEE
DEMOCRATS PUT UP CALLED THE
ECONOMIC IMPACT OF CLIMATE
CHANGE.
I CHANGED IT TO THE ECONOMIC
IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE
OVERREACTION OR CLIMATE
HYSTERIA.
THE REAL DAMAGE TO THE ECONOMY
IS THE RESPONSE TO CLIMATE
CHANGE.
THE REALITY IS THAT THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA HAS BEEN A
LEADER IN DECARBONIZATION AS YOU
KNOW AND THE BEST WAY TO
DECARBONIZE OR REDUCE CARBON IN
THE GLOBAL, GLOBAL, REMEMBER,
THIS IS A GLOBAL ISSUE, WOULD BE
TO PRODUCE MORE AMERICAN ENERGY
AND EXPORT MORE AMERICAN ENERGY
BECAUSE WE DO IT SO MUCH CLEANER
AROUND BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.
LARRY: THAT WAS, THAT WAS
RICK PERRY’S THOUGHT.
I DON’T KNOW SEVERAL MONTHS AGO
ON THIS SHOW IF WE EXPORTED MORE
AND MORE AND MORE LNG, EXPORTED,
AMERICAN LNG, THE CLEANEST IN
THE WORLD, TO CHINA, TO INDIA,
AFRICA WE WOULD DO MORE TO SOLVE
GLOBAL WARNING INSTEAD OF ENDING
DESTROYING OUR FOSSIL FUEL
INDUSTRY.
THAT WAS RICK’S POINT.
>> WOULDN’T IT BE WONDERFUL TO
HAVE ANOTHER AREA OF TRADE
SURPLUS RATHER THAN BE, TRADE
DEFICIT WITH CHINA AND OTHER
COUNTRIES.
FOOD IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE
WE HAVE A SURPLUS.
ENERGY SHOULD BE ANOTHER ONE OF
THOSE AREAS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE
A TRADE SURPLUS.
THAT IS GOOD FOR THE WORLD, THAT
IS GOOD FOR THE UNITED STATES
AND CERTAINLY GOOD FOR THE FREE
WORLD.