US, NOT TO MENTION THE PAIN OF
THAT ONE GRIEVING FAMILY.
>> JASON, I READ YOUR TWITTER
FEED, BUT LET ME PUT OUT THERE A
STATEMENT FROM THE PRESIDENT AND
MRS. OBAMA -- OUR HEARTS ARE
HEAVY OVER YET ANOTHER SHOOTING
OF A BLACK MAN, DAUNTE WRIGHT,
THE FACT THIS COULD HAPPEN,
RELIVING THE HEART-WRENCHING
MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD INDICATES
NOT JUST HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO
CONDUCT A FULL AND TRANSPARENT
INVESTIGATION, BUT ALSO JUST HOW
BADLY WE KNEE TO REIMAGINE
POLICING AND PUBLIC SAFETY IN
THIS COUNTRY.
JASON?
>> I’VE BEEN SAYING WE NEED TO
ABOLISH AMERICAN POLICING AS IT
CURRENTLY EXISTS.
IT DOESN’T WORK.
WE DON’T SEEM TO HAVE THIS
DIFFICULTY WHEN WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT ANY OTHER EIGHT.
NICOLLE, WE WERE HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION IN MY ALASKA AND I
POINTED OUT, WHAT IS THE
GRADUATION RATE FOR HIGH SCHOOL
KIDS IN BALTIMORE?
IT’S ONLY ABOUT 80%.
PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS SCREAMING, MY
GOSH, BALTIMORE PUBLIC SCHOOLS
ARE TERRIBLE.
THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN OVER BY
THE GOVERNMENT.
ONLY 80% OF THESE KIDS GRADUATE.
YOU KNOW THE AVERAGE HOMICIDES
THAT ARE SOLVED BY POLICE
DEPARTMENTS?
ONLY 35%.
YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF RAPES AND
SEXUAL ASSAULTS SOLVED BY POLICE
DEPARTMENTS?
LESS THAN 60%.
YOU KNOW THE PERCENTAGE
LIKELIHOOD OF BEING SHOT UNARMED
AS A BLACK PERSON IS FIVE TIMES
MORE THAN A WHITE PERSON?
POLICING DOESN’T WORK.
IF WE HAD THAT LEVEL OF ENDEMIC
FAILURE IN ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT
AGENCY, EVERY POLITICIAN IN
AMERICA WOULD SAY WE NEED TO
TEAR THIS DOWN TO THE STUDS AND
REBUILD IT.
ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT IS
GASLIGHTING.
I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING,
THIS IS A TRAGEDY.
WE’VE KNOWN IT WAS A TRAGEDY,
AND NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING
ABOUT IT.
WHETHER IT’S A MASS SHOOTING IN
A PUBLIC SCHOOL OR ANOTHER BLACK
MAN OR ANOTHER BLACK ROM, AND I
PROMISE YOU, NICOLLE, BEFORE
THIS TRIAL IS OVER -- I SAID
THIS WHEN THE TRIAL BEGAN.
I WAS LIKE WE’LL HAVE ANOTHER
SHOOTING BEFORE THIS TRIAL IS
OVER, AND WE HAVE ONE.
IF THE TRIAL GOES ANOTHER TWO
WEEKS, WE’LL HAVE ANOTHER
SHOOTING.
WE NEED TO START THINKING OF A
DIFFERENT WAY TO APPROACH
POLICING. IF WE DON’T HAVE THAT
IF WE DON’T HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION, THEN NO ONE CARES
ABOUT IT, ANYTHING ELSE IS
WINDOW DRESSING.
>> CARMEN, TO JASON’S POINT, WE
DO HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION
EVERY TIME THIS TRAJTS DID I
ERUPTS.
AND SADLY, THAT’S THE VARIABLE.
I’M SURE THERE ARE NOR INCIDENTS
THAT SIMPLY AREN’T PROPELLED TO
THE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS BY
VIDEO.
I’M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER ONE
OF THE SOLUTIONS WAS BODY CAM
VIDEO.
HERE WE ARE, AND IT’S STILL
HAPPENING. >> I AGREE WE NEED TO START
>> I AGREE WE NEED TO START
OVER.
I JUST THINK EVERYTHING HAS TO
HAVE SOME STRUCTURE TO IT.
I DON’T BELIEVE IN TEARING
ANYTHING DOWN WITHOUT A GAME
PLAN, WITHOUT A REAL REMEDY TO
MAKE IT BETTER.
IN FACT, WHEN GEORGE FLOYD WAS
MURDERED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE THE
MOST DIFFICULT WAS WE HAVE
RALLIES AND RIOTS AND, YOU KNOW,
GATHERINGS, CONVERSATIONS, AND
YET THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER
INCIDENT WHERE WE HAVEN’T MOVED
THE NEEDLE, YOU NOTICE, AT ALL
IN POLICING.
SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO MOVE
THE NEEDLE.
WE DO NEED TO CHANGE THINGS.
I DO THINK THERE’S A NEED FOR A
STRUCTURE, SOME SORT OF PUBLIC
SAFETY, SIMPLY BECAUSE, YOU
KNOW, I’VE BEEN AROUND ENOUGH TO
SEE ENOUGH PEOPLE VICTIMIZED BY
OTHER PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT
THERE IS A NEED FOR SOMETHING IN
PLACE TO KEEP SOCIETY SAFE AND
MOVING AND FUNCTIONING IN A FAIR
AND EFFECTIVE MANNER.
IF WHAT WE HAVE NOW ISN’T
WORKING, FINE, LET’S LOOK AT
OTHER THINGS.
BUT LET’S HAVE A REAL ANSWER, A
SOLUTION.
BECAUSE THE RISKS ARE TOO HIGH
IF YOU DON’T GET IT RIGHT, AND
THE RISKS ARE TOO HIGH IF WE
MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.
I THINK THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY
TO GET STRONG VOICES AND THEN
STRONG ACTION BEHIND THOSE
VOICES.
I THINK YOU WOULD FIND A LOT OF
POLICE OFFICERS WOULD LOVE TO
SEE A SYSTEM WHERE THEY COULD
FEEL CONSISTENTLY PROUD OF THE
WORK THEY’RE DOING AND NOT HAVE
THE BAD INCIDENTS TEAR THE WHOLE
THING DOWN.
>> THERE WAS A NEW INCIDENT
BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY
NEWLY RELEASED VIDEO ON SUNDAY,
DONNA.
I SAW IT AND SENT IT AROUND TO
MY TEAM.
THERE WAS A REPORTING IN "NEW
YORK TIMES" THAT HAPPENED IN
WINDSOR, VIRGINIA.
THE ACTUAL ENCOUNTER WITH POLICE
AND ANOTHER BLACK MAN, THIS ONE
AN ARMY LIEUTENANT, HAPPENED
DECEMBER 5th.
THERE’S A LAWSUIT THAT SORT OF
PRECIP TAILED THE VIDEO BEING
RELEASED.
WINDSOR’S TOWN MANAGER, THE CITY
WHERE IT HAPPENED, SAID IN A
STATEMENT THAT AN INTERNAL
INVESTIGATION FOUND THAT THE
OFFICERS WHO PULLED OVER
LIEUTENANT CARON CASERIO, THE
OFFICERS DID FOR THE FOLLOW
DEPARTMENT POLICIES, ACCORDING
TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THEY’VE
BEEN DISCIPLINED AND ORDERED TO
TAKE ADDITIONAL TRAINING, BUT
ONLY AFTER THIS HAPPENED.
LET’S WATCH.
>> GET OUT OF THE CAR.
>> YOU RECEIVED AN ORDER.
OBEY IT.
>> I’M -- I’M HONESTLY AFRAID TO
GET.
YEAH, YOU SHOULD BE.
GET OUT.
>> HOLD ON.
WHAT’S GOING -- HOLD ON.
>> GET OUT OF THE CAR.
>> WHAT’S GOING ON?
>> GET OUT OF THE CAR NOW.
>> WHAT’S GOING ON?
WHAT’S GOING ON IS YOU’RE FIXING
TO RIDE THE LIGHTNING, SON.
YOU RECEIVED AN ORDER, OBEY IT.
>> I’M HONESTLY AFRAID TO GET
OUT.
>> YEAH, YOU SHOULD BE.
GET OAT.
>> HOLD ON, WHAT’S GOING -- HOLD
ON.
>> 804, DEPLOYED.
>> GET OUT OF THE CAR AND GET ON
THE GROUND NOW, OR YOU’RE GOING
TO GET IT.
>> I DON’T WANT TO.
>> TAKE YOUR SEAT BELT OFF AND
GET OUT OF THE CAR.
>> FOR OUR VIEWERS, JUST TO
NOTE, THIS GETS WORSE FROM HERE.
CARMEN, IF YOU COULD PUT THIS
INTO CONTEXT, WHAT IN THE
EVER-LOVING UNIVERSE IS ANY OF
THAT CONDUCT IN LINE WITH THE
WAY YOU TREAT ANYONE?
TWO HANDS OUT THE WIND.
OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE THAT
REPRESENTS NO THREAT TO THE
POLICE OFFICERS.
>> I REALLY WISH I COULD ADD
ANYTHING.
IT’S RIDICULOUS.
A MAN IN MILITARY UNIFORM, YOU
KNOW, CLEARLY IS EXPLAINING IN
VERY CLEAR TERMS WHY HE’S
NERVOUS, AND OBVIOUSLY SO.
THE OFFICER SAYS SOMETHING TO
THE EFFECT OF YOU SHOULD AN
YOU’RE BEING TO RIDE THE
LIGHTNING, SON.
ANYBODY WOULD BE AFRAID WITH
PEOPLE POINTING HANDGUNS,
YELLING THOSE THINGS.
WHEN HE ASKED WHAT THE PROBLEMS
WAS IT’S YOUR TAGS ON YOUR
VEHICLE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU
ABOUT IT.
IT’S SUCH A MINOR NOTHING.
IT’S JUST HARD TO BELIEVE ALL OF
THIS TRANSPIRED OUT THIS
INCIDENT.
IT’S COMPLETE LE REPREHENSIBLE.
I BELIEVE BOTH OFFICERS’
EMPLOYMENT HAVE BEEN TERMINATED,
IF I’M CORRECT.
THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE PROBLEMS
WE HAVE TODAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
THESE INCIDENTS OCCUR.
I, OF COURSE, BELIEVE THE VAST
MAJORITY OF INCIDENTS DON’T
RESULT IN THERE, BUT IT’S
APPEAL.
>> MY POINT IN BRINGING THIS
INTO THE CONVERSATION IS THANK
GOT LT. NAZARIO DIDN’T PAY WITH
HIS LIFE, BUT THE ESCALATION IS
THE UNIVERSAL I THINK
DISTINGUISHES SORT OF TRAIT IN
EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT.
THAT’S WHERE THEY THENCE SEEM TO
DIVERGE BETWEEN, DARE I SAY,
MAYBE HOW I WOULD GET TREATED
AND HOW A BLACK MAN GETS
TREATED.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO?
WHAT CAN THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION DO NOW SO THAT
DOESN’T HAPPEN TOMORROW AND THE
NEXT DAY?
I HEAR WHAT JASON IS SAYING
ABOUT STARTING OVER, BUT THIS IS
A PROBLEM NOW.
WE’RE PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE EVERY
SINGLE DAY.
>> NICOLLE, THESE ARE THE ONES
WE SEE.
THINK ABOUT HOW MANY INCIDENTS
IN THIS COUNTRY WE DON’T SEE.
IT’S PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE OF
THE DEESCALATION THAT WE’VE ALL
BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE LAST
COUPLE YEARS.
THERE IS NOW AN INVESTIGATION
COMING OUT OF BOTH THE STATE
POLICE AND THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL’S OFFICE IN VIRGINIA,
BUT ALSO, I THINK THAT THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS TO GET
REALLY REENGAGED AGAIN ABOUT
LOOKING AT PATTERN AND PRACTICE,
INVESTIGATIONS OF POLICE
DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AS WE CAN SEE, WINDSOR,
VIRGINIA, A VERY SMALL POLICE
DEPARTMENT, MINNEAPOLIS LARGER,
BROOKLYN CENTER IN BETWEEN.
IT DOESN’T MATTER THE SIZE OF
THE DEPARTMENT.
IT APPARENTLY DOESN’T EVEN
MATTER THE TRAINING, BECAUSE THE
TRAINING IS VIOLATED SO MUCH.
SO, I MEAN, I POINT TO MARYLAND,
MY HOME STATE, WHICH OVER THIS
LAST WEEK PASSED VERY SWEEPING
REFORMS IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND
IN POLICING, AND IT’S THE FIRST
STATE TO REALLY DO SO AT THAT
LEVEL, AND WE STILL HAVE A LOT
OF WORK TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT
THESE INCIDENTS DON’T HAPPEN
AGAIN.
BUT TO JASON’S POINT, IT’S SO