IT WILL INVOLVE ORGANIZING. THIS GOES TO A QUESTION I WANT
TO ASK YOU, REVEREND. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO HEAR FROM
BERNARD. HE'S BEEN GETTING FLACK OVER HIS
INABILITY TO BRING THAT ECONOMIC POPULOUS MESSAGE SPEAKING TO HOW
RACE INTERVENES. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO HEAR FROM
HIM. >> BERNIE SANDERS' CHALLENGE,
AND I SAID TO HIM, YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH SAYING KILL IDENTITY
POLITICS, ECONOMIC POLLISM AND NOT DEAL WITH THE RACIAL PROBLEM
IN EVEN DEALING WITH ECONOMICS. BECAUSE WHEN HE CAUCUS ABOUT WE
MUST BRING POLITICS TO MAIN STREET, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
MAIN STREET AND MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, WE CAN'T ACT
LIKE THE PEOPLE ON MAIN STREET DON'T HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES THAT
PEOPLE ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD HAS.
I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. >> DO YOU THINK HE'S TONE DEAF
TO THAT FACT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S TONE
DEAF IN THAT I DON'T KNOW HE'S ARTICULATED HIS FEELINGS HE'S
COMMUNICATED TO US. HE REALLY UNDERSTANDS IT.
>> WHY DID HE DO SO POORLY WITH BLACK AMERICANS?
>> I THINK HE WAS NOT ABLE TO ARTICULATE TO THEM HE UNDERSTOOD
THE RACE DIVIDE. I THINK COMING TO THE CONVENTION
IS HIM REACHING OUT TRYING TO GET THAT DONE BECAUSE HE
UNDERSTANDS AND LIVES IT. NOT JUST BERNIE.
IT'S THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT, A LOT OF OTHER MOVEMENTS, WHERE THEY
ARE PROGRESSIVE ON CERTAIN ISSUES AND NOT PROGRESSIVE ON
OTHERS AND DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
IN MANY WAYS, JOE, YOU AND I DISAGREE POLITICALLY BUT HAVE
THE SAME KIND OF CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHURCH.
A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE ANY REFERENCE POINT BECAUSE IT'S ALL
INTELLECTUAL. >> DO YOU THINK THAT'S IN PART
BECAUSE OF THE SOUTH? YOU'RE FROM THE SOUTH, I'M --
>> MY PARENTS. >> THE CHURCH AND THE CENTRAL
ROLE. >> CHURCH, HIP-HOP CULTURE.
A LOT OF HIP-HOP IS ANTI-CHURCH. I THINK THEY JUST HAVE A
CULTURAL DIVIDE THEY HAVEN'T REALISTICALLY DEALT WITH, WHICH
IS WHAT SPEAKS TO THE QUESTION. >> I THINK ECHOS SOMETHING SAID
YESTERDAY ON THIS SHOW, THERE'S SOME WAYS IN WHICH WE DON'T SEE
EACH OTHER IN CONNECTION, WE DON'T SEE EACH OTHER IN
RELATION. THINK ABOUT THOSE GIRLS
KIDNAPPED IN D.C. THINK ABOUT THERE WAS A TOWN
HALL MEETING IN D.C. ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND HARDLY ANY
WHITE PEOPLE SHOWED UP BECAUSE IT DIDN'T FALL WITHIN THE SPHERE
OF THEIR MORAL CONCERN. AS LONG AS WE ARE INTERACTING
WITH EACH OTHER, WITH THESE BOUNDARIES IN FRONT OF US, WALLS
IN FRONT OF US, TALK ABOUT WALLS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO
IMAGINE PEOPLE CONNECTING AROUND POLITICAL ISSUES.
>> SO WHAT POLICIES DO YOU THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION IS PUTTING
FORWARD THAT REALLY ADDRESSES THE NEEDS OF THE VULNERABLE.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR? >> ARE THERE ANY?
>> WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANY. CERTAINLY WHAT WE HEARD IS THAT
WE'RE GOING TO CUT BACK ON OUR FIGHT AROUND VOTER QUESTIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS WHOLE QUESTION OF SANCTUARY
CITIES. WE'RE GOING TO CUT BACK CERTAIN
ENTITLEMENTS, THEY CALL ENTITLEMENTS.
IT HAS BEEN ALL NEGATIVE. WE ARE SEEING IN THIS CONVENTION
WE'VE GOT TO RESIST WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO GO BACK AND POLICY
GOING FORWARD. >> I ASK YOU BOTH YOU GUYS, HOW
IMPORTANT ARE THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS.
>> VERY. >> ARE THEY ABOUT AS CRITICAL AS
THEY HAVE EVER BEEN. >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING
TO COME OUT OF THIS CONVENTION WITH IS THE MODEL IN NEW YORK
THAT GOVERNOR CUOMO, WHO IS ALSO SPEAKING, MADE IS APPOINTED A
STATE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR ON POLICE SHOOTINGS AS A WAY TO
TAKE THE POLITICS OUT FROM COUNTY PROSECUTORS.
THAT'S A WAY TO DEAL NOW BECAUSE WE CAN NO LONGER GO INTO A
FERGUSON OR BALTIMORE, GO TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHEN SESSIONS
SAID I'M NOT DEALING WITH THESE CASES.
WE'RE COMING OUT SAYING USE NEW YORK MODEL CONGRESSWOMAN OKAY
STARTED HAVING SPECIAL STATE PROSECUTORS FOR IT, BUT ALSO
REMEMBERS LOCAL ELECTIONS, RIGHT GOVERNORS, LEGISLATORS.
WHAT YOU DO IS STUDY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
WHEN THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT VO