TRISH: SPECULATION THAT THE
SUDDEN APPEARANCE OF A RUSSIAN
PLANE IN AN AIRPORT IN CARACAS
IS THERE TO TRANSFER VENEZUELAN
GOLD FROM THE COUNTRY'S CENTRAL
BANK FOR DICTATOR NICOLAS
MADURO.
WHAT IS IT DOING THERE?
JOINING ME, RUSSIAN FINANCIER --
TELL ME HOW TO SAY YOUR LAST
NAME.
I SPEAK SPANISH BUT NOT RUSSIAN.
>> AN AMERICAN APPROACH TO
RUSSIAN REALITY.
TRISH: HOW DO YOU SAY IT?
WHY IS THAT PLANE THERE?
>> IT'S MORE A POLITICAL GESTURE
TO SHOW COMMITMENT AND IMPOSE A
LINE IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND ALL IN ALL WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT $17 BILLION U.S. DOLLARS.
IT'S A HEDGE AGAINST WHAT MIGHT
OCCUR IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
TRISH: THEY WANT TO GET THE GOLD
OUT NOW WHILE THEY STILL CAN?
>> IN A WAY.
BUT I BELIEVE IT'S MORE OF A
POLITICAL GESTURE AND A
FINANCIAL MOVE.
TRISH: BUT IT IS TO TAKE GOLD
BACK TO RUSSIA?
>> THAT'S WHAT WE SEE IN MEDIA,
BOTH IN WESTERN AND RUSSIAN
MEDIA.
BUT NOTHING OFFICIALLY CAME OUT
OF THE KREMLIN.
>> YOU ARE SAYING IT'S A
POLITICAL GESTURE AS WELL.
MAYBE THEY WANT TO COVER SOME OF
THE LOSSES IF THEY ARE NOT
SUCCESSFUL AND MADURO IS NOT
SUCCESSFUL.
WHY DO THE RUGS WANT MADURO
THERE AND NOT JUAN GUAIDO?
>> TO BE HONEST, RUSSIA SEES
THIS ALTERCATION AS A
U.S.-INSPIRED POLITICAL CHANGE
OR COUP.
TRISH: REALLY?
THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK?
THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE.
YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE MARCHING IN THE
STREETS.
WHY WOULD THE RUSSIANS THINK
THAT'S OKAY?
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE STAND FOR.
THAT'S NOT WHAT ANYBODY SHOULD
WANT.
>> YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT AND
WE UNDERSTAND THE REALITIES ON
THE GROUND.
BUT THE SOCIETY IS DIVIDE AND
THERE ARE CLEAR SIGNS OF SOME
KIND OF COORDINATION BETWEEN THE
POSITION AND THE U.S.
ADMINISTRATION IT'S OKAY WITH
ONE EXCEPTION.
THE RUSSIAN VIEW WITH A SIMILAR
STRATEGIC VISION IS DENIED.
SO THE U.S. CONSIDERS THIS PART
OF THE WORLD TO BE ITS BACKYARD
AND ACCORDING TO ITS STRATEGIC
NATIONAL INTEREST.
RUSSIA SEES THIS AS A DENIAL OF
CHINA, RUSSIA AND OTHER EMERGING
GREAT POWERS WHICH IS TO SEIZE
THEIR PRIME STRATEGIC INTERESTS
OF THE UNITED STATES.
I THINK THAT'S A DISSUASION.
TRISH: PAYBACK.
WE ARE ACTIVE OVER THERE AND
THEY WANT TO BE ACTIVE IN OUR
HEMISPHERE BECAUSE WE ARE ACTIVE
OVER THERE?
>> THERE IS AN ELEMENT HERE
WHICH IS -- IN THE WAIVE
RESTRUCTURING.
THE SYSTEM WHERE THE U.S. IS
JUST ONE OF THE DECISION MAKERS.
ONE OF THE MAIN PLAYERS.
TRISH: BUT WE CARE ABOUT
VENEZUELA AND WE CARE ABOUT THE
PEOPLE.
THERE IS THE REALITY OF OIL
THERE.
IT IS THE REALITY OF
STRATEGICALLY IMPORTANT PEOPLE.
WE WANT OUR HEMISPHERE TO BE
FILLED WITH OUR FRIENDS.
DO YOU THINK THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN
AND COMPANY REALLY UNDERSTANDS
HOW MUCH WE CARE AND THAT HE
RUNS THE RISK OF CREATING SOME
KIND OF PROXY WAR IN LATIN
AMERICA IF HE DOESN'T BUTT OUT?
>> MOSCOW NEEDS SOME BARGAINING
CHIPS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
AND UKRAINE, AND AFGHANISTAN.
SO IF THE SPACE OF THE FORMER