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>> Okay, welcome back everyone.
This is theCUBE's live coverage
at Cisco Live 2018 in Europe.
I'm John Furrier, cohost of theCUBE
with my partner in crime this week, Stu Miniman,
analyst at Wikibon.com.
Also, cohost at all the events we go to,
most of the events I should say.
Our next guest is Ashutosh Malegaonkar,
who's the Principal Engineer at Cisco DevNet,
involved in a lot of the great projects in Sandbox
we're going to talk about.
Welcome to theCUBE.
>> Thank you. Thank you for having me, John.
>> Thanks for coming on.
>> One of the exciting stories
here is the DevNet momentum continues.
Congratulations to your team. >> Ashutosh: Thank you.
But you're involved in a couple cool parts of the projects
that we notice was getting a lot of traction,
co-create a sandbox. >> Ashutosh: Yes.
>> First, take a minute to talk about what that project is
and why is it so popular.
>> Yeah, so as you know DevNet is becoming the key core
for Cisco and one of the things that we did
in DevNet is like, it's a strategic initiative where we said
that we are going to call it co-creations.
And what that means is we are co-creating
with Cisco's strategic partners, that's one.
The second is that we are taking our customers,
like our top 10 customers, our top 100 customers,
our partners, and our developers.
So we are looking at each of these three categories
and saying, how can we actually help and take that
to the next level with DevNet.
>> So you're sharing a lot of resource.
Is is the same project?
Do people bring their own project to the table?
How does it work?
>> Yeah, so it's both.
So for example, first let's talk about strategic initiatives
where ... a strategic partner sorry.
And in there we have Apple and Google
as our strategic partners.
With Apple, what we have done is we have actually created
a Fast Lane Validation program and what that does is,
with Fast Lane as a product,
what we are doing is any app developer
who wants to use application quality of service,
we actually help them validate that application in DevNet.
And one of the things that we noticed is app developers
really don't understand quality of service, QOS,
and as soon as we say quality of service they freak out.
And so we have to actually handhold them,
let them understand what it means
and then we actually help them take their application
on the path.
>> I mean there's a lot of things in networks
that are like that.
Deep packet inspection, people freak out and QOS,
but QOS is a very important feature.
>> Ashutosh: It is. >> Big time.
>> It is and that's one thing that we are basically saying
how can network be the platform
where you can use performance as a building block?
And if you heard Susie and her keynote,
that's what she was stressing on, right?
We want to have that as a building block for developers.
>> Yeah, really interesting points.
One of the things we've been digging in the last few days
is kind of the changing partner ecosystem.
There's some partners that have been with Cisco
for decades, networking, infrastructure, but Apple,
not a traditional Cisco partner.
The other one, you mentioned Google.
>> Ashutosh: I did, yeah.
>> So I believe Google's here doing some presentations.
John and I have been digging in
to all the C and SEF projects so what's Google doing here.
>> Yeah, so with Google,
what Cisco has done is we are coming up with our hybrid
or multi-cloud strategy and in the hybrid cloud strategy
what we are doing is there things where,
if I'm an app developer, on-prem app developer and I want
to access services which are in the cloud.
Now what the partnership does is
we have our security services all the way from on-prem
to the cloud deployed in the Google Cloud system
and as an app developer I can do my services on-prem
but access some services which are in the cloud.
So that's one application.
Second is that if I'm an app developer working only
in the cloud but I want to access some of the services
which are on-prem, than how do I do it?
And that's what this partnership is also helping out.
>> Great.
How's the reaction been of the Cisco Live audience here?
How many people are lining up to come listen
to Google talk about Istio?
>> Yeah, so Istio is one part, but Kubernetes, like
if you look at our sandbox, like it's becoming one our
most popular sandbox in DevNet
and Kubernetes is part.
And with the Google partnership we are also working
with Google on Istio.
It's an open source project
and what we have done is we have created a sandbox
for Istio and that is also it's kind of an industry first,
where developers are able to go through a learning lab
to actually understand what it means.
>> Yeah, absolutely.
John and I were at the KubeCon show.
We interviewed Lou from the Cisco team,
heavily involved in the open source.
But yeah, one of those things, how do we simplify it,
how do we help people get the on-ramp?
Sandbox is a great way for people to get started.
>> Ashutosh: That's correct, that's correct.
>> One of the things that we're excited about
and this something that we're going to be doing,
digging into all year is the impact of Kubernetes.
And the sandboxing points to the trend
of how people are partnering.
I think you guys struck a really interesting form
in this co-creation model because if you look
at what service meshes are doing in markets is that the more
that you can make it easier for developers
and at the same time enabling the engineering side of it,
getting down and dirty.
We're talking about QOS, we're talking about plumbing stuff.
There's still a lot of automation being done under the hood.
This is the network opportunity,
this is where we're seeing automation around provisioning
and configuration management and all that good stuff.
That needs to get done but it has to be addressable
for true programmability.
We're not there yet, but we're almost there.
>> Ashutosh: We're getting there, yes.
>> What's your reaction to that, a 19-year veteran at Cisco?
Cisco has an inherent advantage having the network,
so looking up, that's been enabling, but now you have people
who want to look down and program into you.
Kind of new dynamic.
>> It is, it is.
>> How are you guys looking at this?
>> So the way I look at it, as you said,
I've seen Cisco grow.
I mean, I've grown up in the company and one of things,
Cisco being the expert in networking, we have experts now
which are getting to doing everything, in a sense.
Like the edge is where a lot of stuff is happening
and when you deploy edge services you also need stuff
that needs to be done in the cloud.
So for example, one of the examples I like to do is
let's take machine learning as a good example,
where I want to download some models,
machine learning models onto the edge
but the traffic is actually all at the edge,
so I'm taking all the inputs from the edge,
taking at the edge, calculating things,
and then the models are being built in the cloud
because I can't build those at the edge.
So that's the thing that is happening now
and what we see here is that Cisco is in the midst
of both edge as well as cloud.
>> And IoT was going to be very instrumental.
If you talk to the pure networking nerds
and geeks out there, they're going to say, "Edge?
"We've been doing edge of the network for years."
But now the edge is extending, right?
To IoT so it's not a new concept for Cisco at all, is it?
>> Its not. It's not new at all.
Because as I said, something very similar
to what we are doing for the Apple Fast Lane,
as I told you before,
like now the app developer has the ability
to give QOS right
at the app level.
It's the same thing like with IoT.
It's like all the devices are connected to Cisco.
>> And this is what's going to be- it's fun to watch
because you guys now have compute to throw at the edge,
you have cloud that you can connect to the edge,
but this going to change the nature of programming.
Stateful and stateless applications
become a really interesting dynamic.
What's your reaction to that trend of as developers start
to really start thinking about state?
>> Sure, so one of the things that ...
Again I go back to the edge thing
where like if you have a tunnel
and then there are cars passing by,
you are actually looking at the cars as,
let's say a stream of dots.
Now that state you cannot be giving and storing it somewhere
so you basically keep it at the edge,
you figure out what's happening, compute,
and take some actions there itself.
>> That' where the action is.
Ashutosh, thank you for coming on theCUBE
and sharing your knowledge, appreciate it.
Congratulations on the co-creation Fast Lane service
you guys have, among other things.
The collaboration model is the future.
Cisco's really demonstrating that in the DevNet zone
so props to the team.
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