ATTENTION.
PETE: THEY DO.
BRIAN: MAYBE HE PLAYS ALL
THE TIME.
LET'S BRING IN JOY, WE LOVE
TO
JOE.WE LOVE TO SEE HIM ON THE
COUCH.
WE KNOW ABOUT ERIC GARNER
AND WHAT HAPPENED AND THE
OFFICER WHO SUBDUED HIM WHO
HAD THE CHOKEHOLD ON WAS
FOUND -- THEY DID NOT FILE
CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST HIM
BUT SOMETHING ELSE CAME DOWN
YESTERDAY.
THEY TOOK HIS JOB.
THEY TOOK HIS PENSION.
HE WAS FIRED.
YOUR REACTION?
>> I THINK IT'S A WRONGFUL
FIRING.
I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT
HIS JOB.
I THINK HE WENT THROUGH THE
PROCESS THAT ANYBODY WOULD
WANT SOMEBODY TO GO THROUGH.
HE WENT THROUGH TWO
DIFFERENT COURTS AND FOUND
NOT GUILTY.
BUT, IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC
OPINION, HE IS GUILTY AND TO
SATISFY THE HOARDS OF ALL
THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT
WANTED MORE, THEY WANT
BLOOD.
THEY WANT BLOOD.
SO, THE FIRING CAME.
AINSLEY: JOE, WHAT HAPPENED
HERE?
WHY DID HE GET FIRED?
>> BECAUSE IN THE COURT OF
PUBLIC OPINION ALL RIGHT HE
WAS GUILTY.
PETE: POLITICAL OPINION.
>> DE BLASIO AND HIS WHOLE
CREW THERE AND O'NEIL WORKS
FOR DE BLASIO.
AINSLEY: HE IS THE
COMMISSIONER.
>> HE IS THE COMMISSIONER.
HE WANTS HIS JOB.
HE DOES WHAT -- HE COULD SAY
HE HAD THE FINAL SAY.
HE DIDN'T HAVE THE FINAL
SAY.
THAT CAME RIGHT FROM THE
MAYOR.
DIRECTLY FROM THE MAYOR.
AND CAN HE SUGAR COAT IT ANY
WAY HE WANTS, ALL RIGHT?
THIS IS A WRONGFUL FIRING.
PETE: YOU MENTIONED NYPD
POLICE COMMISSIONER JAMES
O'NEIL.
HERE IS WHAT HE SAID ABOUT
THIS FIRING.
>> IT'S CLEAR THAT DANIEL
PANT LAY OWE CAN NO LONGER
SERVE AS A NEW YORK CITY
POLICE OFFICER.
I KNOW MANY WILL DISAGREE
WITH THIS DECISION.
THAT IS THEIR RIGHT.
THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO
VICTORS HERE TODAY.
I HAVE BEEN A COP A LONG
TIME.
AND IF I WAS STILL A COP, I
PROBABLY WOULD BE MAD AT ME.
I WOULD.
NOT LOOKING OUT FOR US BUT I
AM.
PETE: I'M STILL A COP I
WOULD PROBABLY BE MAD AT ME.
>> HE IS A COP.
YOU ARE ALWAYS A COP.
YOU START OFF IN THE POLICE
ACADEMY AND MAKE YOUR WAY UP
TO POLICE COMMISSIONER.
YOU ARE STILL A COP.
YOU HAVE TO THINK THAT WAY.
THAT'S WHAT HE FORGOT HOW TO
BE A COP.
HE CAN SAY ANYTHING HE
WANTS, ALL RIGHT?
RIGHT NOW I WOULD BE MAD AT
ME.
WELL, YOU HAD IT IN YOUR
POWER TO SAVE THIS MAN'S
JOB.
AND IF THE MAYOR TURNED
AROUND AND SAID I TOLD TO
YOU FIRE HIM AND HE SAID
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT?
IT'S MY DISCRETION.
IT'S MY CALL.
IS HE CALLING ROSE MARY LIKE
THEY ARE FRIENDS AND ALL
HANGING OUT TOGETHER.
BOTTOM DISCUSSION WAS YOU
ARE GOING TO COME OUT AND
SAY THIS IS YOUR
DETERMINATION THAT HE SHOULD
BE FIRED.
BRIAN: THIS HAPPENED FIVE
YEARS AGO AND ERIC GARNER
SELLING CIGARETTES IN FRONT
OF A CONVENIENCE STORE.
THE STORE OWNER SAID CAN HE
GET HIM OUT OF THE WAY HE
KEEPS DOING THIS AND IT'S
HURTING OUR SALES AND OUR
BUSINESS.
HE WOULDN'T MOVE AND HE ENDS
UP WITH FIVE GUYS AROUND HIM
GETTING CHOKED TO DEATH AND
FAMOUSLY HE SAID "I CAN'T
BREATHE."
DO YOU THINK FROM THE GARNER
FAMILY'S PERSPECTIVE THEY
ARE LIKE WHY WAS IT
NECESSARY TO CONTINUE THAT
CHOKEHOLD WHILE HE WAS
SAYING I CAN'T BREATHE?
>> YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T,
TO THIS DAY I DON'T SEE IT
AS AN OUTRIGHT CHOKEHOLD.
ALL RIGHT?
IT'S TAKING SOMEBODY DOWN.
LOOK AT THE SIZE OF ERIC
GARNER, RIGHT?
AND THE SIMPLE THING RIGHT
HERE IS AND EVEN
COMMISSIONER O'NEIL SAID IT
YESTERDAY, COMPLY.
JUST DON'T FIGHT, DON'T
RESIST.
NOW YOU HAVE THIS BIG MAN
RESISTING AND WE HAVE SEEN
HOW THINGS ON THE STREET CAN
GO SOUR IN SECONDS.
AND THEY TOOK HIM DOWN.
AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO
LOOK AT IT EVERY DIFFERENT
WAY AND SAY IT'S TOO MUCH
FORCE BECAUSE HE DIED.
HAD IT BEEN A REGULAR ARREST
AND NOTHING HAPPENED TO HIM
IT WOULD BE BUSINESS AS
USUAL.
NO, IT SPARKED OUTRAGE AND
ONCE AGAIN THEY JUST WANT TO
DEAL WITH THE AFTERMATH OF
THAT.
AINSLEY: THIS IS THE PORTION
OF THE EMAIL SENT BY THE
POLICE BEN NOVEMBER ATLANTA
ASSOCIATION MEMBERS NOT
HAVING ANY CONFIDENCE.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL
THEY SAY THAT THE WORLD KNOW
THAT THE NEW YORK CITY
POLICE DEPARTMENT IS
RUDDERLESS AND FROZEN.
THE LEADERSHIP HAS
ABANDONEDSHIP AND LEFT OUR
POLICE OFFICERS ON THE
STREET ALONE WITHOUT
BACKING.
>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT
YOU KNOW, WE ARE AT A STAGE
IN THE NEW YORK CITY RIGHT
NOW WITH THE NYPD WHERE WE
HAVE TAKEN STEPS BACKWARDS,
IT'S NO LONGER THE ELITE
FORCE IT ONCE WAS.
YOU CAN BLAME THE LEADERSHIP
FOR THAT THERE IS NO SUPPORT
FOR THE COPS OUT IN THE
STREET.
YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ALL
OVER TOWN YOU HAVE FOOD
BEING THROWN AT COPS AND
SHOTS BEING FIRED.
THEY PUT IT DOWN I BELIEVE
IT WAS IN THE 7-3 PRECINCT
IN BROOKLYN.
THROWN THROUGH THE.
COPS BEING HURT.
THIS IS RANDOM BEING THROWN
THROUGH THE WINDOW.
THIS IS DISRESPECT FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
BRIAN: THREE SEPARATE
INCIDENTS OVER THE WEEKEND.
YOU HAD ONE COP GOT HEAD
BUTTED BY A TEEN WHO WAS
CAUGHT WITH A CANISTER OF
PEPPER SPRAY.
THEY CALLED OUT VIOLENCE
AFTER A SERIES OF WATER
DOUSING.
WE KNOW ABOUT THAT.
ALSO THREE COPS WERE ALL
INJURED AND TREATED AT LOCAL
HOSPITALS AND RELEASED AFTER
CONFRONTATIONS WITH PEOPLE
IN NEW YORK CITY.
SO THEY ARE NO LONGER
AFRAID.
>> NO.
BRIAN: OR INTIMIDATED.
NO RESPECT.
>> THEY ARE VERY BOLD RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY
HAVE THE BACK OF EVERYBODY
IN NEW YORK CITY, YOU KNOW.
AND AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU
HAVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
WEARING SHIRTS "I CAN'T
BREATHE" AT A HEARING.
CAN YOU SEE IT ON TV.
NOT ONCE DO YOU EVER SEE
ANYBODY ON THAT PANEL
WEARING SOMETHING IN SUPPORT
OF LAW ENFORCEMENT NEVER.
YOU NEVER SEE IT BECAUSE
IT'S NOT THERE IF IT'S NOT
PROFESSED BY THE PEOPLE AND
THEN DE BLASIO, WE HAVE TO
STAND BEHIND OUR POLICE
OFFICERS AND EVERYTHING.
HE DOESN'T STAND BEHIND
THEM.
HOW DO YOU EXPECT.
BRIAN: AND THE COPS KNOW IT.
THEY TURN THEIR BACK.
AINSLEY: ARE THEY DOING
ANYTHING WITHIN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THE
BAD APPLES ARE OUT THOUGH
BECAUSE SOME COPS ARE TOO
FORCEFUL AND THEY JUST TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THE POWER?
>> YEAH.
ABSOLUTELY.
YOU HAVE THE LARGEST POLICE
FORCE IN THE WORLD RIGHT
HERE, ALL RIGHT?
AND SURE YOU ARE GOING TO
GET A FEW BAD APPLES AND
THEY DO WEED THEM OUT.
FUNNY PART IS EVERYBODY
THINKS THE BLUE WALL AND
EVERYTHING.
YOU WILL HAVE A COP RAT OUT
ANOTHER COP FOR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT BEFORE THE PUBLIC
EVEN KNOWS ABOUT IT AND
SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT
THAT.
THERE ARE STEPS IN PLACE FOR
THAT.
BUT, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, I
DON'T SEE IT THE WAY
EVERYBODY SAW IT YEARS AGO.
YEARS AGO HAD YOU SOME COPS
TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL.
TODAY IT'S A RARE FEW YOU
WILL SEE.
AND IT'S DEALT WITH RIGHT
AWAY.