POSSIBILITY NOW WE ARE IN THE
FUTURE.
WE ARE DISCUSSING WHETHER THERE
IS INTELLIGENT LIFE OUT THERE
WHICH WE THINK ARE TWO PERFECT
EXPERTS.
NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON AND THE
FORMER DIRECTOR UNDER PRESIDENT
OBAMA, JOHN BRENNAN AND HAPPY
ASTEROID DAY TO BOTH OF YOU.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
>> PLEASURE.
>> THANK YOU.
MR. BRENNAN, AS SOMEONE WHO USED
TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
NATIONS HIGHEST SECRETS AS WELL
AS NATIONAL SECURITY PLANNING,
WHY DO YOU SAY THAT THE EVIDENCE
SUPPORTS AT LEAST KEEPING OPEN
THE PROSPECT OF INTELLIGENT LIFE
OUT THERE?
>> WELL, I DONT THINK I SAID
THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL OF
ALIEN LIFE.
WHAT I SAID IS A LOT OF THESE
PHENOMENON HAVE BEEN OBSERVED
INCLUDING BY NAVY PILOTS ARE
UNEXPLAINED.
I DONT THINK THERE IS ANY WAY
WE CAN EXCLUDE THE POSSIBILITY
OF CERTAIN TYPES OF EXPLANATIONS
EXPLANATIONS.
IN ANY CAREER WHEN I LOOKED AT
THOSE VIDEOS AND SAW DOCUMENTS
AND RED WITNESS REPORTS, I NEVER
SAW EVIDENCE OF THAT ILLALIEN LI
AS DONALD RUMSFELD SAID MANY
TIMES, SADLY HE PASSED AWAY
TODAY, THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE,
IN THIS LARGE EXPANSIVE OF
UNIVERSE THAT WE CANT EXCLUDE
THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE IS
SOME FORM OF LIFE SOME WHERE
ELSE THAT WE CANT UNDERSTAND
AND CANNOT DETECT YET.
I HAVE NO EARTHLY IDEA WHETHER
OR NOT SUCH LIFE EXISTS.
>> EARTHLY BEING SUCH A KEY
MODIFIER.
NEIL, WE QUOTED THE SCIENTIFIC
LENS YOU BRING TO A QUESTION
THAT OF COURSE SAYS FASCINATED
MANY, EXPLAIN HOW YOU LOOK AT
THIS.
>> OH YEAH, AT FIRST ALIENS FOR
PART OF OUR CULTURE NOW, YOU
LOOK AT HOW FREQUENTLY THEY SHOW
UP IN MOVIES.
VERY FEW OF THEM ARE FRIENDLY BY
THE WAY.
I CAN COUNT THESE MANY MOVIES
ARE FRIENDLY ALIENS.
THE REST JUST WANT TO KILL US.
THE PUBLIC ARE THINKING ABOUT
ALIENS ALL THE TIME.
WE ARE RIGHT INTERPRETING
WHATEVER WE DONT UNDERSTAND IN
THE CONTEXT OF SOMETHING THAT WE
BELIEVE WE DO UNDERSTAND.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT ALIENS LOOK
LIKE, BIG HEADS AND EYES AND HOW
COME NOBODY SEES AN ALIEN WITH
BIG MUSCLE OR ONE THAT LOOKS
LIKE A LOBSTER.
WE ARE PRECONDITIONED TO BELIEVE
MORE THAN WE ARE PRECONDITIONED
TO QUESTION.
AND SO I SEE THE FOOTAGE AS YOU
TEASED EARLIER IN THE PROGRAM OF
A CLIP OF ME AT A PREVIOUS
INTERVIEW, I AM JUST THINKING WE
HAVE THREE BILLION SMARTPHONES
ACTIVATED IN THIS WORLD AND
INTERCONNECTED, THEY CAN ALL
TAKE HIGH-RESOLUTION AND HIGH
PHOTO AND ESPECIALLY VIDEOS.
IN THE SENSE, WE ARE CROWD
SOURCING THE MONITORS OF
VISITORS TO EARTH FROM SPACE.
I AM DISAPPOINTED THE BEST EVIDENCE PUTTING FORWARD ARE
EVIDENCE PUTTING FORWARD ARE
THESE MONO CHROMATIC VIDEOS
TAKEN BY PILOTS.
AS THOUGH THE ALIEN IS ONLY INTERESTED
INTERESTEDINTERESTED
WE WERE THINKING AGAIN ABOUT THE
SCIENTIFIC LENS AND WE HOPE IN
LOOKING AT THIS, WERE DOING
JOURNALISM, WHICH IS A MUCH
LOWER GRADE DAILY ATTEMPT AT
WHAT YOU BOTH DO WHICH ADDS A
LITTLE BIT MORE LONG-TERM
RESONANCE BUT I WORK ON A DAILY
BASIS.
WE WERE DIGGING HOW WE THINK
ABOUT INFORMATION INCLUDING
HUMAN BIASES WHICH GETS INTO PSYCHOLOGY.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> IF YOU WOULD BELIEVE AS THE
FLYING SAUCER CULTISTS BELIEVE
THE MAJORITY OF THE SAUCERY
REPORTS ARE DUE TO VISITATIONS
YOU HAVE A STRANGE SITUATION.
SEVERAL SPACESHIPS ARE COMING AT
A DISTANCE EVERY DAY AS IF ALL
THE ANTHROPOLOGISTS IN THE WORLD
WERE TO CONVERGE ON THE END OF
THE ISLANDS AND THE INDIAN OCEAN
BECAUSE THEY INVENTED THE FISH
NET THERE OR SOMETHING.
>> DOES THAT KIND OF ARGUMENT
WHICH TRACKS WITH SOME OF YOUR
POINTS LEAD TO US RULE SOMETHING
OUT OR JUST SAY VERY UNLIKELY?
>> WHAT MR. BRENNAN NOTED IN AN
INTERVIEW THAT YOU HAD JUST
SHARED THAT HE PARTICIPATED IN,
I THINK IF WE NEED BETTER
EVIDENCE, THATS ALL.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY COULD BE
VISITING INTELLIGENT ALIENS FROM
ANOTHER PLANET.
THEY COULD BE.
NO REASON TO RULE THAT OUT, BUT
WHAT IS PRESENTED IN SUPPORT OF
THAT CONTENTION IS INSUFFICIENT
TO CONVINCE A SKEPTIC.
I CAN TUG AT A COUPLE OF OTHER
THINGS.
WE ALL OBTAIN SOFTWARE ALL THE
TIME AND YOU BET THAT WHEN THE
SOFTWARE IS RELEASED, THEY ARE
PRETTY SURE THERE ARE NO ERRORS
IN IT.
A WEEK LATER, THEY NEED AN
UPDATE.
A MONTH LATER, ANOTHER UPDATE,
OKAY?
THIS IS ALSO TRUE WITH HARDWARE.
YOU CAN MAKE HARDWARE ESPECIALLY
COMPLEX HARDWARE, THERE ARE
THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN INSIDE
THE HARDWARE ESPECIALLY IF ITS
BRAND NEW AND THE VERY LATEST
THING THAT ARE NOT FULLY
CHARACTERIZED AND NOT FULLY
UNDERSTOOD.
IN YOUR LIST OF WHAT THOSE
DETECTIONS COULD HAVE BEEN, YOU
DID NOT INCLUDE A FAILURE OF THE
HARDWARE TO REGISTER INFORMATION
CORRECTLY SO WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE
IS AN ARTIFACT INSIDE THE
HARDWARE THAT EVERYONE IS
ASSUMING IS REAL AND THEN GOING
OFF ALL LIMITS TO INTERPRET IT.
IM SAYING I SIMPLY WANT BETTER
EVIDENCE, THATS ALL.
WHY SHOULD YOU CARE, WHY SHOULD
ANYONE CARE WHAT I THINK?
GO CATCH THE ALIENS.
DO IT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS.
I REMIND YOU, THE GOVERNMENT
DOESNT OWN THE SKY, OKAY?
THE IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS
ALIEN SECRETS THAT NOBODY ELSE
KNOWS ABOUT OR HAS ACCESS TO
WOULD MEAN THE ALIENS ARE ONLY
SHOWING THEMSELVES TO THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT.
THATS UNTENABLE TO ME.
>> YOU SAID WHY DOES ANYONE CARE
WHAT YOU THINK.
ONE REASON IS YOU HAVE A DOPE
MIND.
THATS ONE REASON TO LOOK AT HOW
YOU LOOK AT IT.
SOMETIMES WE LEARN BY THINKING I
CANT THINK OF WHAT NEIL THINGS.
ONCE HE EXPLAINS IT, I CAN
FOLLOW HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT A
LITTLE BIT.
SO I TAKE IT TO JOHN ON THE
GOVERNMENT SIDE, WITHIN WHATEVER
YOURE ALLOWED TO SHARE, DID THE
U.S. GOVERNMENT HAVE ANY
CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR DEALING
WITH ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COME
FROM THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE
BACKED BY INTELLIGENT LIFE OR
TRAVELING LIGHT YEARS FROM THE
PAST OR FUTURE?
DOES THAT MAKE IT TO THE LEVEL
OF CIA MILITARY PLANNING OR SO
OUT OF BOUNDS THEY DONT SPEND
TIME ON THAT?
>> SINCE WE DONT KNOW WHATS
OUT THERE ITS HARD TO PUT
TOGETHER CONTINGENCY PLANS TO
DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS.
I AGREE WITH NEIL.
THESE ARE PHENOMENA THATS
UNEXPLAINED.
WE GET HUNG UP ON EVIDENCE AND
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THIS
IS EVIDENCE OF ALIEN LIFE.
THATS PURE SPECULATION.
THERES AN OBLIGATION ON THE
PART OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO
TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE
UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA ARE.
U.S. NAVY PILOTS ARE NOT MAKING
UP OR FABRICATING THESE.
AS NEIL POINTS OUT SOMETIMES THE
SENSORS COULD BE WRONG, MAYBE
FAL
MALFUNCTIONS BUT THERE ARE
THINGS NOT EXPLAINABLE AND IT IS
PART OF OUR HUMAN BEING THAT WE
WANT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
IS UNEXPLAINABLE AND THATS WHAT
WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO.
MIGHT THERE BE SOME FORM OF LIFE
IN THE FAR BEYONDS OF THE
UNIVERSE, ITS ARROGANT OF US TO