>> Shannon: AND A LITTLE BIT
CONFUSING.
THANK YOU.
WE ONLY KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN
ALLEGED IN THE MEMO.
WE ARE TOLD IT MAY INVOLVE
INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT
WAS USED AS THE BASIS FOR A
SURVEILLANCE COURT TO SPY ON
MEMBERS OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
LET'S BRING IN THE FORMER DEPUTY
ATTORNEY GENERAL UNDER
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH.
GREAT TO SEE YOU, TOM.
LET'S TALK THROUGH IT.
APPARENTLY THE COMMITTEE VOTED
ON MONDAY TO RELEASE THE MEMO,
THE REPUBLICANS DID.
IT WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND
THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THE
CONFUSION COMES IN BECAUSE WE
ARE TOLD ACCORDING TO THE
REPORTING OF OUR OWN
JOHN ROBERTS WITH OUR CHIEF
WHITE HOUSE RESPONDED, HE SAID
THERE WAS A NEW VERSION OF THE
MEMO AT SOME POINT THAT WAS A
PRODUCT OVERVIEW BY THE
WHITE HOUSE.
THAT WAS THEN PRESENTED TO THOSE
WITHIN THE DOJ OR FBI TO ALLAY
THEIR CONCERNS.
THE FBI AFTER THAT HAD THIS TO
SAY.
"THE FBI WAS PROVIDED A LIMITED
OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS MEMO
THE DAY BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
VOTED TO RELEASE IT.
AS EXPRESSED DURING THE INITIAL
REVIEW, WE HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS
ABOUT MATERIAL OMISSIONS OF FACT
THAT FUNDAMENTALLY IMPACT THE
MEMOS ACCURACY."
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE A
NEW VERSION OF THE MEMO SINCE
THEN.
WHETHER IT'S A WHITE HOUSE
PRODUCT OR SOMETHING FROM THE
MAJORITY OF MANY, WE DON'T KNOW
BUT IT WAS ENOUGH FOR THE FBI
TODAY TO SAY WE DON'T THINK THIS
IT MAY BE NOT ACCURATE.
SEE YOU ON MY TAKE ON THIS IS
YOU NEED TO TAKE WITH THE FBI IS
SAYING SERIOUSLY.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE MEMO CAN'T
EVER BE RELEASED OR THAT IT
COULDN'T BE RELEASED AND
MODIFIED BUT I WOULD SAY THE
PRESIDENT APPOINTED CHRIS WRAY
TO BE THE DIRECTOR OF THAT GUY
BECAUSE HE TRUST HIS JUDGMENT,
AND WHEN THE FBI SAYS IT HAS
GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SOMETHING
LIKE THIS, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE
TO FOLLOW THE FBI'S
RECOMMENDATION IN EVERY CASE BUT
AT MINIMUM I THINK HE NEEDS TO
TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
WE'VE SEEN THERE IS BEEN BACK
AND FORTH BETWEEN THE
WHITE HOUSE AND THE FBI.
FBI APPARENTLY STILL ISN'T
HOURS BEFORE THE MEMO GETS
RELEASED, THERE CAN BE SOME SORT
OF COMPROMISE OR ACCOMMODATION
THAT AT LEAST ENABLE SOME DEGREE
OF TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT IS IN
THE MEMO.
AT THE SAME TIME, IN A WAY THAT
ASSUAGES THE CONCERNS BY THE
FBI.
BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF
REPUBLICANS ON THE COMMITTEE
SANG THESE ENTITIES HAVE NOT
HELPED US.
WE HAVE TRIED TO GET
INFORMATION.
THEY REFUSED TO RELEASE THINGS
FOR US AND SO WE ARE A LITTLE
BIT WARY OF THEM.
"HAVING STONEWALLED CONGRESS'
DEMAND FOR INFORMATION FOR
NEARLY A YEAR, IT'S NO SURPRISE
TO SEE THE FBI AND DOJ ISSUE
SERIOUS OBJECTIONS TO ALLOWING
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SEE
INFORMATION RELATED TO --
LATER ON HE SAYS IT'S CLEAR
OFFICIALS USE UNVERIFIED
INVESTIGATION DURING AMERICAN
BLOOD GO CAMPING.
HE BASICALLY SOUNDS LIKE HE IS
TELLING US THERE WHAT IS AT THE
HEART OF THE MEMO WITHOUT
ACTUALLY RELEASING IT.
>> THAT'S A FAIR
CHARACTERIZATION.
I THINK FROM THE CONGRESS MEN'S
PERSPECTIVE, THE FBI AND DOJ
OFFICIALS MIGHT HAVE BEEN
SHADING THE LAW LITTLE BIT WERE
NOT FULLY PRESENTING THE
EVIDENCE IN ORDER TO OBTAIN
THESE WARRANTS.
TO CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE.
I THINK FROM THE FBI'S
OF THE WHOLE RECORD IS IN FAIR
ISN'T ACCURATE AND MAY
JEOPARDIZE CONFIDENTIAL SOURCES.
THERE'S ALWAYS TENSION BETWEEN
DOJ AND CONGRESS IN TERMS OF
PUTTING A SPOTLIGHT ON
SURVEILLANCE METHODS AND
INTELLIGENCE GATHERING, AND THAT
TENSION IS NOT NEW.
WHAT IS NEW HERE IS THE TENSION
YOU SEE BETWEEN TWO ARMS OF THE
EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
WHITE HOUSE ON THE FBI.
TO BE HAVING TO DO PUBLIC
DISPUTE IS EXTRAORDINARY.
NORMALLY THIS IS THE SORT OF
THING WERE CALM OUR HEADS WOULD
SIT DOWN, SORTING OUT, THEY
WOULD BE SINGING FROM THE SAME
HYMNAL.
>> Shannon: THEY SEEM LIKE
THEY ARE AT ODDS.
WE HAD CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN KELLY
SAYING IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO
COME UP QUICKLY.
HE THINKS THE MAC PEOPLE NEED
SEE IT.
SEEMS I GOT GOING THROUGH A LOT
GAS ON THE FIRE.
THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY AMERICAN
H THE.
THE ARE THOSE WHO ARE ACTIVELY
BENEFIT.
THIS IS FROM THE SENATOR RON
WYDEN, DEMOCRAT HAS BEEN
CRITICAL OF FISA, CRITICAL OF
ANY KIND OF PRIVACY INTRUSION ON
AMERICANS.
HE SAYS "IF THIS MEMO COMES OUT
TO MY LONG LIST OF LESS
SENSITIVE BUT STILL CLASSIFIED
INFORMATION THAT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE DESERVE TO SEE."
IT'S INTERESTING HE'S BEEN ONE
HAS BEEN SO CRITICAL OF FISA BUT
IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS MEMO MAY
ALSO BE CRITICAL OF FISA OR THE
PROCESS AT LEAST AS IT WORKED IN
THIS CASE.
RELEASE SOME CLASSIFIED STUFF
TOO.
>> IS A WORRISOME PRECEDENT TO
SAY THE LEAST.
SENATORS IN THEIR OFFICIAL
INFORMATION.
I'M SURE A LOT OF TIMES THEY SEE
THINGS THAT REALLY KIND OF
WRINKLE CONCERNS, RAISE CONCERNS
ENFORCEMENT.
SPOTLIGHT ON THE ABUSES.
BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT EVERY TIME
YOU HAVE A CONCERN.
IF YOU DID COME I DON'T THINK
LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN FUNCTION.
IF EVERY TIME SENATOR WYDEN OR
SOMEONE ON THE HILL SAYS THIS
DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS RIGHT,
THEREFORE I'M GOING TO RELEASE
I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO EXERCISE
JUDGMENT AND DISCRETION AND
REALLY ONLY GO TO THE
TRANSPARENCY WHEN THEY THINK
THERE IS A SERIOUS MATERIAL CASE
OF LAW-ENFORCEMENT ABUSE.
EVEN WHEN HE DO THAT, YOU NEED
TO MAKE SURE YOU DO WITHOUT
JEOPARDIZING LAW ENFORCEMENT IN
GENERAL OR SOURCES OR
INTELLIGENCE METHODS.