>> Steve: IN THIS WORLD OF ON-DEMAND VIDEO, NEWS, INFORMATION AND ENTERTAINMENT,
WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT?
POET AND CULTURAL CRITIC JASON GURIEL'S ANSWER COMES IN HIS NEW BOOK, SOMETHING OF AN ODE.
IT'S CALLED: "ON BROWSING," AND IT BRINGS JASON GURIEL TO OUR STUDIO.
NICE TO MEET YOU >> Jason: NICE TO MEET YOU.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> Steve: HOW DID THE SEED FOR THIS BOOK GET PLANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
>> IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR INTO THE PANDEMIC, I WAS VERY TIRED OF BEING ONLINE.
I WAS, YOU KNOW, WORKING FROM HOME.
I HAD SPENT A YEAR BASICALLY IN FRONT OF OUR COMPUTER.
WE WERE HELPING OUR -- I GUESS AT THE TIME OUR 5-YEAR-OLD WITH HIS ONLINE KINDERGARTEN.
WE WERE ORDERING STUFF ONLINE.
AND I WAS JUST SORT OF TIRED OF SCREENS IN GENERAL.
AND SO ON A WHIM, I WROTE THIS ESSAY.
IT WAS KIND OF LIKE -- ALMOST LIKE A SCREED AGAINST SCROLLING.
SCROLLING FELT LIKE THE THING I WAS DOING ALL THE TIME.
>> Steve: DO YOU KNOW WHY IT FELT THAT WAY?
BECAUSE YOU WERE.
YOU WERE SCROLLING ALL THE TIME.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
AND I WAS REALLY MISSING THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING IN A BRICKS AND MORTAR SHOP AND COMBING
THROUGH BOOKS AND USED CD BINS, AND SO I WROTE THIS ESSAY ON A WHIM, AND I SENT IT TO AN EDITOR
AT THE WALRUS, NOT ACTUALLY THINKING THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT.
THIS IS AN EDITOR WHO I KNOW AND I WANTED HIS OPINION.
I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO, LIKE, NOSTALGIC AND TOO ALMOST CURMUDGEONLY AND REACTIONARY,
RIGHT?
>> Steve: WE LOVE ALL THAT.
WE LOVE NOSTALGIA, WE LOVE CURMUDGEONLY.
>> I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
>> Steve: YOU ARE, TOTALLY, YES.
>> I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THEY TOOK IT.
AND THEN WHEN THEY RAN IT, I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HOW WELL IT DID.
LIKE, IT REALLY TRAVELLED.
A FOOD EDITOR AT THE NEW YORK TIMES LINKED TO IT, THE ATHLETIC LINKED TO IT.
IT SORT OF WENT VIRAL.
AND THEN MY PUBLISHER, DAN WELLS AT BIBLIOASIS, HE WROTE TO ME AND SAID, "WOULD YOU TURN THAT
ESSAY INTO A SMALL BOOK FOR US?"
THEY HAD THIS LINE OF A LITTLE MONOGRAPHS THAT ARE CALLED FIELD NOTES.
AND HE SAID, "WOULD YOU WRITE 'ON BROWSING' FOR US"?
AND THAT'S HOW IT STARTED.
>> Steve: I WANT TO DO A LITTLE QUOTE FROM IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
>> SURE.
>> Steve: OKAY.
HERE'S YOU WRITING ABOUT BROWSING WITH YOUR DAD.
>> Steve: THIS SOUNDS LIKE A TRULY LOVELY BONDING EXPERIENCE FOR YOU AND YOUR DAD.
WAS IT?
>> IT WAS.
WE LOVED THE MALL.
IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAD BACK THEN.
AND MY FAMILY DIDN'T HAVE, LIKE, A LOT OF MONEY.
SO WE WEREN'T -- WE DIDN'T TRAVEL A LOT.
MY SISTER AND I, WE WEREN'T IN A LOT OF EXTRACURRICULARS.
WHEN IT WAS THE WEEKEND, WE WENT TO THE MALL.
AND WE WENT TO THE MALL USUALLY ON SATURDAY BECAUSE AT A CERTAIN POINT -- THERE WAS NO SUNDAY
SHOPPING FOR A LARGE PART OF MY CHILDHOOD.
SO THE MALL WAS LIKE -- IT WAS AN OUTING.
WE WENT TO THE FOOD COURT, WHICH WAS LIKE A HUGE TREAT BACK THEN.
AND IT WAS SORT OF LIBERATING TO JUST KIND OF BE ON MY OWN ON FOOT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF
SPENDING MONEY BY MYSELF FOR LIKE AN HOUR, HOUR OR TWO.
>> Steve: NOW, I CAN SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS, THEY'RE DOING THE MATH IN THEIR
HEAD RIGHT NOW.
HIS DAD'S BORN IN 1922 AND HOW OLD ARE YOU?
>> I'M 44 RIGHT NOW.
I WAS HAD A LITTLE LATER IN HIS LIFE.
>> Steve: YOU THINK?
IS THERE A STORY THERE?
>> UM, NOT ONE FOR A TELEVISION BROADCAST, PROBABLY.
BUT I WAS THE PRODUCT OF A SECOND MARRIAGE, AND SO, AGAIN, I WAS HAD QUITE LATE IN LIFE.
SO, HE HAD A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION TO, LIKE, SHOPPING AND BROWSING, AND AS YOU SAY,
LIKE THE CREDIT CARD.
I DON'T THINK IT APPEARED UNTIL MAYBE THE LATE '80s OR EARLY '90s.
>> Steve: THAT'S HILARIOUS.
THAT'S A VERY 1922 THING TO DO, NOT GET A CREDIT CARD UNTIL LATER.
BROWSING AND SHOPPING, ARE THEY THE SAME THING?
>> THEY ARE NOT.
I THINK THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.
RESEARCHERS WHO LOOK AT LIKE CONSUMER BEHAVIOUR, THEY DRAW A DISTINCTION AS WELL.
SHOPPING, AS I SEE IT, IS VERY LINEAR, VERY TRANSACTIONAL.
LIKE, YOU NEED SOME DETERGENT, YOU GO TO SHOPPERS DRUG MART, YOU BUY THE DETERGENT, RIGHT?
IT'S A VERY FUNCTIONAL ACTIVITY.
BROWSING HAS BEEN DEFINED BY SOME OF THESE RESEARCHERS AS SHOPPING WITHOUT NECESSARILY AN
INTENT TO BUY.
IT COULD BE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES OR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
I SEE IT AS A VERY AIMLESS ACTIVITY.
YOU MIGHT WIND UP MAKING A TRANSACTION, BUT YOU QUITE OFTEN YOU SET OUT BROWSING IN A KIND
OF AIMLESS WAY.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE CLOSER TO WANDERING IN SOME RESPECTS.
>> Steve: I NEED YOUR VIEW ON THIS BECAUSE I WAS TOLD ONCE UPON A TIME THAT IT IS ACTUALLY
VERY UNFAIR TO MERCHANTS TO BROWSE IF YOU HAVE NO INTENTION OF ACTUALLY PURCHASING, BECAUSE
YOU GET THEIR HOPES UP ONLY TO DASH THEM BECAUSE, JUST BROWSING.
TRUE OR FALSE?
>> PROBABLY TRUE.
BUT I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, BROWSING OPENS YOU UP TO POSSIBILITIES AND I WOULD SAY
SERENDIPITY.
YOU CAN SET OUT -- YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE BROWSING.
LIKE, MAYBE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING.
BUT OFTEN IN MY LIFE, I HAVE FOUND MYSELF, YOU KNOW, BROWSING THROUGH A BOOKSTORE OR A MUSIC
STORE AND STUMBLING ONTO SOMETHING I HADN'T EXPECTED TO FIND THAT DAY, I HADN'T SET OUT
TO FIND IT, AND IT WOUND UP BEING LIKE A BOOK OR AN ALBUM THAT CHANGED ME IN SOME
RESPECTS, WHICH IS KIND OF AN AMAZING THING.
>> Steve: CAN YOU REMEMBER ONE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD HERE?
>> I REMEMBER 20 YEARS AGO BEING IN A USED CD STORE OFF QUEEN STREET AND PICKING UP AN ELVIS
CD AND IT WAS CALLED "TIGER MAN."
IT HAD A PRETTY COOL COVER.
HE WAS IN HIS SORT OF LATE 60s, LEATHER SUIT.
AND AT THAT POINT IN MY LIFE AS SORT OF A YOUNG MUSIC NERD, I THOUGHT ELVIS WAS KIND OF A
KITSCHY JOKE.
AND I HAD SOME VAGUE SENSE THAT HE HAD BEEN THE KITSCHY JOKE, BUT HE HAD HAD A KIND OF
COMEBACK AT ONE POINT, AND I LOOKED AT THE CD AND I THOUGHT, MAYBE THIS IS THAT THING.
I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS IN IT, BUT I BOUGHT IT ON A WHIM.
I HAD NO IDEA I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT THAT DAY.
AND WHEN I PLAYED IT WAS THE MOST ELECTRIC, RAW, SOULFUL, FEROCIOUS ROCK 'N' ROLL MUSIC I
EVER HEARD.
IT COMPLETELY CHANGED MY VIEW OF ELVIS.
TO THIS DAY I THROW THAT ALBUM ON AND THINK THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
IT WAS LIKE A LIVE RECORDING OF HIM WITH HIS BAND JUST MESSING AROUND AND THEY DID IT FOR THIS
1968 TV SPECIAL.
BUT IT BLEW ME AWAY.
I HADN'T SET OUT TO FIND THAT AND IT CHANGED MY VIEW ON THE KING FOREVER.
>> Steve: THE JOYS OF BROWSING.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Steve: THERE YOU GO.
YOU WRITE THAT THE FIRST MALL WAS DESIGNED BY A SOCIALIST NAMED VICTOR GRUEN, IS THAT HOW
HE SAYS HIS NAME?
>> I THINK SO.
>> Steve: WHY DID HE PIONEER THE MALL IN THE FIRST PLACE?
>> WELL, HE -- HE WAS AN INTERESTING FIGURE.
HE HAD A UTOPIAN VISION.
YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME -- SO HE DESIGNED THE FIRST MALL THAT CAME OUT -- IT SORT OF OPENED IN
1956, I SHOULD SAY.
IT WAS THE SOUTHDALE CENTRE IN MINNESOTA.
AND HE HAD THIS VISION THAT SUBURBAN AREAS NEEDED SOME KIND OF DYNAMIC HUB FOR LIKE
CONCENTRATED COMMUNITY, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THE SUBURBS WERE SORT OF
METASTASIZING ALL OVER NORTH AMERICA, THEY WERE VERY CAR-BASED COMMUNITIES, AND THEY
WERE VERY DISPERSED.
SO HE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A PLACE THAT WOULD BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND THEY COULD SHOP BUT
THEY COULD ALSO VISIT THE DOCTOR, THEY COULD GO TO THE POST OFFICE, THERE MIGHT BE ART
GALLERIES.
>> Steve: HANG OUT.
>> COMMUNAL SPACES -- EXACTLY.
HIS VISION, IT NEVER QUITE CAME TO PASS.
LIKE, MALLS BECAME MORE ABOUT STORES THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THE FOOD COURT IS PROBABLY LIKE A VESTIGE OF THAT ORIGINAL VISION, IT IS SORT OF A PLACE
WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF CONGREGATE.
MY DAD, LATE IN LIFE, YOU KNOW, HE LOVED WALKING OVER TO CLOVERDALE MALL, WHICH IS STILL
THERE IN THE WEST PART OF TORONTO, AND, YOU KNOW, HE'D GET A COFFEE AND HE WAS RETIRED AND
HE'D MEET OTHER RETIRED GUYS IN THE FOOD COURT.
SO IT STILL HAD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT VISION THAT VICTOR GRUEN KIND OF ORIGINALLY SAW.
>> Steve: RIGHT.
I WANT TO SHOW YOU A CLIP FROM A MOVIE THAT REALLY DESCRIBES TO A "T" THAT WHICH YOU WROTE ABOUT.
AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME OUT.
I SAW IT IN THEATRES WHEN IT CAME OUT.
IT'S CALLED "HIGH FIDELITY."
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Steve: IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
SHELDON, IF YOU WOULD, THE CLIP?
>> I WILL NOW SELL FIVE COPIES FOR THE THREE EPs BY THE BETA BAND.
>> DO IT.
♪ ♪ I WILL BE ALL RIGHT ♪ ♪ I WILL BE ALL RIGHT ♪
♪ I WILL BE ALL RIGHT ♪ ♪ I WILL BE ALL RIGHT ♪ >> WHO IS THAT?
>> THE BETA BAND.
>> IT'S GOOD.
>> I KNOW.
>> Steve: JOHN KUSAK, HE'S GREAT.
WHAT DOES THAT SCENE TELL US ABOUT BROWSING?
>> WELL, IT SORT OF SPEAKS TO THE IMPORTANCE OF LIKE THE PHYSICAL SPACE IN TERMS OF LIKE
BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER LOOKED AT SOMETHING I BOUGHT ONLINE AND THOUGHT TO
MYSELF, AH, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS SITTING ON MY SOFA IN FRONT OF MY LAPTOP AND PRESSED CLICK,
RIGHT?
BUT I CAN LOOK AT BOOKS AND CDs IN MY BASEMENT ON MY SHELVES AND I CAN REMEMBER NOT
ONLY WHERE I GOT MANY OF THEM, I CAN REMEMBER INTERACTIONS I HAD WITH CLERKS WHO MAYBE LIKE
POINTED ME AT THE PARTICULAR THING OR STEERED ME TOWARDS IT.
I REMEMBER BEING IN THE WORLD'S BIGGEST BOOKSTORE AS A HIGH SCHOOL TEENAGER --
>> Steve: WAS THAT EDWARD STREET IN TORONTO?
>> NEAR THE -- >> Steve: THE BUS TERMINAL.
>> LIKE THE MANULIFE CENTRE, RIGHT?
>> Steve: FURTHER SOUTH.
>> YEAH.
AND I REMEMBER BEING IN THE WORLD'S BIGGEST BOOKSTORE AND LOOKING AT A NOVEL, "SNOW
CRASH," BY NEIL STEVENSON, A GREAT SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL, IT CAME UP WITH THE TERM METAVERSE
WHICH HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED BY -- >> Steve: WE KNOW WHO.
>> WE KNOW WHO.
I REMEMBER STARING AT IT.
AND A WOMAN WALKED BY, A CLERK WALKED BY, AND SHE SAID YOU SHOULD BUY IT.
I LOVED IT.
I WENT ON TO READ OTHER NEIL STEVENSON BOOKS.
WHEN I WAS IN UNIVERSITY I WOULD HANG OUT AT THE YORK UNIVERSITY BOOKSTORE.
I MADE A FRIEND WITH ONE OF THE CLERKS THERE.
AND SOUNDSCAPES WAS A GREAT MUSIC STORE IN TORONTO THAT ACTUALLY CLOSED DURING THE
PANDEMIC.
>> Steve: WHERE WAS THAT?
>> IT WAS ON COLLEGE STREET JUST WEST OF BATHURST.
>> Steve: OKAY.
>> IT WAS LIKE AN INSTITUTION.
MAYBE THE BEST MUSIC STORE THE CITY EVER HAD.
IT HAD BEEN AROUND FOR 20 YEARS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D GO IN AND YOU'D SAY, I'M KIND OF -- I'M LOOKING FOR ALBUM X.
AND THEY'D BE LIKE, YEAH, YEAH, BUT YOU REALLY WANT ALBUM Y AND THEY WOULD TAKE YOU OVER.
AND THEY DID IT FROM A PLACE OF LOVE AND LIKE AUTHORITY.
IT WASN'T AN ALGORITHM RECOMMENDING SOMETHING.
THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO REALLY CARED ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
>> Steve: WE STILL LOVE THAT HUMAN CONTACT, DON'T WE?
I NEED IT.
>> I THINK WE DO.
I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HAD -- I GUESS YOU CAN MEET PEOPLE ONLINE AND YOU CAN GET RECOMMENDATIONS
ON TWITTER OR WHATEVER, BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HAD AN EXPERIENCE THAT REALLY
APPROXIMATES WHAT IT'S LIKE BEING IN THAT PHYSICAL SPACE WITH OTHER LIFE FORMS AND PEOPLE
LEANING OVER AND SAYING YOU SHOULD GO FOR THAT.
>> Steve: IS IT AN EXAGGERATION TO SAY THAT AT THESE MUSIC STORES, FOR EXAMPLE,
THERE ARE COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DEVELOP AND STAY IN TOUCH?
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN EXAGGERATION.
I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
I DON'T THINK I EVER FELL INTO WHAT I WOULD CALL NECESSARILY A COMMUNITY.
BUT I MADE FRIENDS AND I GOT TO KNOW PEOPLE.
>> Steve: BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SO FAR, IT MAY BE OBVIOUS, BUT PHYSICAL
RECORDS VERSUS DIGITAL MUSIC.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION IN YOUR MIND WHICH IS PREFERABLE?
>> I THINK THE PHYSICAL MEDIA IS ALWAYS PREFERABLE.
I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU A STORY.
THIS PAST SUMMER WE WERE VISITING MY WIFE'S PARENTS AND MY SON REALLY WANTED TO SEE
"DESPICABLE ME" BECAUSE THE MINIONS MOVIE HAD JUST COME OUT.
WE WENT TO NETFLIX AND IT HAD BEEN THERE AND COME OFF.
IT JUST VANISHED.
IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT.
AND WE WERE DRIVING BACK TO TORONTO AND WE STOPPED AT A MALL IN BELLEVILLE THAT HAS NOT ONE
BUT TWO MUSIC STORES, WHICH IS SORT OF SHOCKING, BECAUSE TORONTO MALLS HAVE GOTTEN VERY
LUXURIOUS, THEY DON'T HAVE STORES LIKE THAT.
>> Steve: THEY DON'T, NO.
>> WE FOUND A COPY OF "DESPICABLE ME" FOR $4.99 AND WE WATCHED IT IN THE CAR ON THE WAY
HOME BECAUSE WE HAD A PORTABLE DVD PLAYER.
AND HE STARTED TO GET, OH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE STUFF.
NOT JUST THE STREAM, RIGHT?
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE STUFF BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF EPHEMERAL WHEN IT'S ON DISNEY PLUS OR
NETFLIX.
IT CAN KIND OF VANISH.
>> Steve: HAVING SAID THAT, THE ECONOMICS AROUND DIGITAL VERSUS STUFF ARE PRETTY
COMPELLING, AND I WONDER IF YOU SEE A DAY COMING WHEN THERE WILL NO LONGER BE ANY BRICKS AND
MORTAR STORES WHERE YOU CAN BUY THIS STUFF AND WHERE WE WILL NOT HAVE THE OPTION OF PURCHASING AN
LP OR A CD OR A DVD EVER AGAIN.
>> I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE.
I THINK IT'S A LONG WAY OFF.
I THINK BOOKS ARE GOING TO BE OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WE LOST A LOT OF BOOKSTORES IN TORONTO BUT THEY HAVE SORT OF OVER THE LAST 20
YEARS THEY'VE REBOUNDED A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK THE e-READER THING HAS NOT -- I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO, LIKE, DRIVE BOOKS INTO
EXTINCTION.
>> Steve: IT'S GREAT WHEN YOU'VE GOT TO GO ON VACATION.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Steve: RATHER THAN TAKE 12 BOOKS.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN'T DO WITH AN e-READER?
YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WIDE SHOT, PLEASE, MR. DIRECTOR.
OVER THERE, I MEAN, BEHIND HIM.
LOOK AT THAT SET.
THIS IS WHAT BOOKS DO.
THEY HAVE AN AESTHETIC BEAUTY TO THEM AS WELL.
>> AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE THEM.
>> Steve: YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE THEM.
YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
VERY GOOD.
OKAY.
WHAT'S ONE PIECE OF PHYSICAL MEDIA THAT YOU FEEL YOU COULD NOT ACTUALLY -- YOU MENTIONED
THE ELVIS THING.
TRY SOMETHING ELSE.
IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU THINK, "GOSH, I JUST ABSOLUTELY
NEED THIS AND CANNOT IMAGINE DOING THIS ON A DIGITAL FORMAT," FOR EXAMPLE?
>> I MEAN, ALL OF IT, I WANT TO SAY.
[LAUGHTER] I MEAN, I HAVE SO MANY BOOKS THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED BY AUTHORS
OVER THE YEARS AND THEY'RE TIED TO THOSE MOMENTS AND THOSE MEMORIES AND I CAN'T IMAGINE
PARTING WITH THEM.
THAT BOOK I MENTIONED "SNOW CRASH" THAT I BOUGHT AT THE WORLD'S BIGGEST BOOKSTORE, I
REMEMBER, I MADE THE MISTAKE OF LOANING IT TO A FRIEND IN HIGH SCHOOL.
AND I'M SORT OF FUSSY WITH MY BOOKS, RIGHT?
IT CAME BACK, LIKE HE HAD BROKEN THE SPINE AND IT WAS LIKE SCRATCHED.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD BEEN THROUGH A WAR.
AND IT ALWAYS SORT OF GUTTED ME.
AND THEN I REMEMBER -- BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, I WAS COMBING AROUND FOR A COPY OF THAT, THE
ORIGINAL PAPERBACK BUT A NICE, MINT COPY BECAUSE I'M WEIRD THAT WAY.
AND I FOUND ONE ON A BOOKSTORE ON COLLEGE STREET, "SHE SAID BOOM."
I FOUND A MINT COPY OF THIS '90s PAPERBACK.
AND I SWEAR TO GOD, I OPENED IT UP AND THERE WAS A RECEIPT INSIDE FROM THE WORLD'S BIGGEST
BOOKSTORE, AND ALL THE PAPER AROUND THE RECEIPT WAS LIKE SORT OF A DARK YELLOW BECAUSE IT HAD
KIND OF -- YOU KNOW, THE OXIDATION OR WHATEVER HAPPENED.
AND I WAS OVERJOYED TO FIND THIS EXACT COPY OF THIS BOOK THAT HAD BEEN DESTROYED, WHICH I STILL
HAVE -- I STILL HAVE THE DESTROYED VERSION.
AND THEN I BROUGHT IT HOME AND IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL COPY.
SO IT HAS NOT ULTIMATELY REPLACED THAT ONE.
>> Steve: JUST FINALLY, THOUGH, YOU'RE TOO YOUNG TO WORRY OR THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT
DO YOU EVER WONDER, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH ALL THAT
STUFF?
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH A DIGITAL COPY OF A SONG THAT YOU
LOVE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE AN LP OR AN EP OR DVD, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT SOME DAY.
>> I HOPE MY KIDS WILL DISCOVER SOME OF IT AND ENJOY IT.
LIKE, WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER AND MY SISTER -- SHE SORT OF AGED OUT OF LISTENING TO MUSIC, I
KIND OF INHERITED ALL HER WALKMAN CASSETTES AND THAT'S HOW I GOT INTO MUSIC.
I HOPE THEY WILL FIND SOME USE IN IT SOME DAY.
I ALMOST CAN'T BEAR TO THINK ABOUT THAT MOMENT.
SO I'M JUST -- YEAH, I'M NOT GOING TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
>> Steve: GOOD.
DON'T THINK ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE IT SOME DAY.
TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
I'M SORT OF THERE RIGHT NOW.
JASON GURIEL WITH "ON BROWSING."
YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVED ABOUT THE BOOK?
SLENDER.
NICE.
>> IT'S A QUICK READ.
>> Steve: YOU DIDN'T BLOW US AWAY WITH 500 PAGES OF STUFF.
THIS IS A NICE-SIZED BOOK.
WE THANK YOU FOR COMING INTO TVO TONIGHT AND TALKING TO US ABOUT IT.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.