THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US.
FOLKS, MY FIRST GUEST HAS BEEN REPORTING FOR 50 YEARS,
CONTINUING A FAMILY TRADITION OF GREAT JOURNALISM.
HE ANCHORS "FOX NEWS SUNDAY," AND IS NOW PROMOTING A NEW
DOCUMENTARY ABOUT HIS FATHER, "MIKE WALLACE IS HERE."
>> WHAT ABOUT THIS STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE IN YOUR OWN PAPER?
>> YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SIT IN JUDGMENT ON ME.
>> I'M NOT SITTING IN JUDGMENT.
I'M SIMPLY ASKING A QUESTION.
WE WERE DOING THINGS AT THE TIME THAT WERE REVOLUTIONARY, I MEAN,
ASKING SERIOUS QUESTIONS, ASKING ABRASIVE QUESTION.
>> I'M READY ANY TIME YOU WANT TO REPEAT THE STUPID QUESTION.
>> WE GOT INTO A FLOCK OF LAWSUITS AND IT JUST BECAME TOO
CONTROVERSIAL.
>> THIS HAS BEEN THE LAST PROGRAM.
AS TONIGHT'S GUEST, BEFORE WE CAN TELL THE WORLD WHO WE ARE
AND BEFORE WE CAN ACT FOR THE FUTURE, OURSELVES MUST KNOW WHO
WE ARE, WHAT WE STAND FOR, AND WHAT WE MEAN BY "FREEDOM."
MIKE WALLACE.
GOOD NIGHT.
>> Stephen: PLEASE WELCOME CHRIS WALLACE!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
>> Stephen: THANKS FOR COMING BACK.
NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
I REALLY ENJOYED OUR LAST CONVERSATION TOGETHER.
I'M SO GLAD YOU CAME BACK.
>> I'M GLAD ONE OF US DID.
BUT I CAN-- CAN YOU IMAGINE, YOU JUST SAW THAT CLIP, YOU CAN
IMAGINE HAVING MIKE WALLACE AS A FATHER.
YOU'RE A TEENAGER AND YOU GO OUT ON A DATE AND YOU COME HOME, AND
MIKE WALLACE IS SITTING THERE WAITING TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
"WHAT DID YOU DO?
HOW LONG WERE YOU OUT?
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS HIDDEN CAMERA VIDEO?"
( LAUGHTER )
>> Stephen: CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE LIPSTICK ON YOUR COLACHRIS?
>> UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WASN'T MUCH LIPSTICK ON MY COLLAR.
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE LACK OF LIPSTICK ON YOUR COLLAR?
I HAVE TO SAY SOMEONE ONCE SAID ABOUT MY FATHER THAT HE HAD AN
UNDERDEVELOPED SENSE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S PRIVACY, WHICH MADE HUM
A GREAT JOURNALIST.
>> Stephen: SURE.
>> A GREAT INTERVIEWER, AND A PAIN IN THE ASS AS A FATHER
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: I WANT TO GET INTO MORE OF THAT.
I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO INTERVIEW YOUR FATHER ONCE.
>> YOU KNOW YOU DID GLI REALLY ENJOWD THAT.
BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THE DOCUMENTARY, "MIKE WALLACE IS
HERE," I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE HEARING TODAY.
I KNOW YOU WERE ON THE AIR TODAY WITH FOX NEWS GIVING YOUR OWN
ANALYSIS AND THE PRESIDENT KNEW THAT ALSO.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: BECAUSE AT-- AT-- AT 10:11 THIS MORNING, HE
TWEETED THIS STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD MADE.
"THIS HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR THE DEMOCRATS AND A DISASTER FOR
THE REPUTATION OF ROBERT MUELLER."
NOW, YOU SAID THAT AT 10:07 THIS MORNING, AN HOUR AND A HALF INTO
A SIX-HOUR SERIES OF HEARINGS.
SO IS FOX NEWS' MOTTO, "WE REPORT AND DECIDE BEFORE THE
THING'S OVER?" >> THERE WAS A BREAK IN THE
HEARING.
WE WERE ASKED FOR OUR REACTION.
AND LET ME SIMPLY SAY, NOTHING IN YOUR MONOLOGUE DISPROVED THAT
DESCRIPTION.
>> Stephen: IN WHAT WAY WAS IT A DISASTER?
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
>> YES, YOU DO.
>> Stephen: MOW, I PROMISE YOU, YOU DON'T.
IT SEEMED LUKE A WELL-ORGANIZED AND CHOREOGRAPHED RECITATION OF
THE MORAL, ETHICAL AND CRIMINAL FAILINGS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
NOW, INTERJECTED, INTERJECTED BETWEEN THOSE-- CHEAPER BETWEEN
THOSE YOU HAD REPUBLICANS UNDERMINING-- ATTEMPTING TO
UNDERMINE THE CREDIBILITY OF THE MAN AND THE MISSION, WHICH WAS
THE REPORT.
BUT OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO EXPECT THAT.
YOU KIND OF KNEW THE WAY ROBERT MUELLER WAS GOG ANSWER, AND YOU
KNEW THE WAY THE REPUBLICANS WERE GOING TO ATTACK HIM.
>> LISTEN -- >> Stephen: BUT IT DISAPPOINT
TAKE AWAY THE IMPACT OF THE FACTUAL STATEMENTS FROM THE
REPORT.
>> BUT WE HEARD THE FACTUAL STATEMENTS FROM THE REPORT BACK
IN MARCH WHEN THE REPORT WAS RELEASED.
LAURENCE TRIBE, WHO IS A DISTINGUISHED HARVARD LAW
PROFESSOR AND A FIERCE CRITIC OF DONALD TRUMP SAID, ALSO-- I MUST
SAY, IT WAS AFTER I SAID IT-- THAT THE HEARING WAS A DISASTER,
AND INSTEAD OF BREATHING LIFE INTO THE REPORT, HE SUCKED THE
LIFE OUT OF THE REPORT.
I MEAN, THE REPORT STANDS, AND I'M NOT SAYING-- YOU KNOW, THE
REPORT IS WHAT THE REPORT IS, AND IT RAISES SOME VERY
TROUBLING QUESTION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR.
BUT THE WHOLE REASON THAT THE DEMOCRATS, THE HOUSE MAJORITY,
THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, WANTED TO HAVE THIS
HEARING IS, THEY KEPT SAY-- THE QUOTE WAS, "PEOPLE AREN'T GOING
TO READ THE BOOK.
THEY'LL WATCH THE MOVIE."
THE MOVIE WAS A SNORE.
AND PART OF IT WAS, FRANKLY, WAS BECAUSE ROBERT MUELLER WAS--
SEEMED NOT IN CONTROL OF HIS BRIEF.
HE DIDN'T SEEM IN CHARGE.
I THINK IT RAISED QUESTIONS AS TO HOW MUCH HE ACTUALLY RAN THE
INVESTIGATION.
AND AS YOU SHOWED IN SOME OF YOUR CLIPS, I MEAN, YOU WERE
MAKING LIGHT OF IT, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF --
>> Stephen: I'M SORRY I MADE LIGHT.
I'M SORRY I MADE LIGHT.
>> YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT MUCH LIGHT OF IT SO YOU'RE OKAY.
I-- I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS SAD, ACTUALLY.
I THOUGHT-- YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HE'S A VERY DISTINGUISHED MAN.
>> Stephen: SURE.
>> HE HAS HAY GREAT CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND AT LEAST ON
THE BASIS OF TODAY, HE SEEMED LUKE A FELLOW WHO WASN'T--
DIDN'T QUITE KNOW WHAT HE WAS ABOUT, WHAT WAS BEING SAID.
HE HAD TROUBLE FINDING THE VARIOUS CONGRESSMEN, WHERE THEY
WERE ON THE PODIUM, LET ALONE ANSWERING THEIR QUESTIONS.
>> Stephen: HAVE YOU EVER TESTIFIED BEFORE A CONGRESSIONAL
COMMITTEE?
>> NO.
>> Stephen: I HAVE.
I HAVE.
AND THAT'S JUST THE MECHANICS OF YOU.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS SPEAKING TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE HEARING A
SPEAKER, NOT THEIR FACES.
THESE ARE ALL PERFORMANCE NOTES YOU'RE GIVING.
>> YIT IS.
>> Stephen: AND THEY ONLY MEAN SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN--
WE'VE BECOME DESENSITIZED TO THE SHOCK OF THE INFORMATION THAT
THEY WERE LAYING OUT FOR US.
THAT IN SOME WAYS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION.
THAT'S-- IT'S LIKE THE DANCE OF IT, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE
ACTUAL IMPORT OF THE INFORMATION WAS.
>> BUT ALL OF THAT WAS IN THE REPORT.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) LOOK --
>> Stephen: THEY'RE RIGHT.
>> LOOK.
>> Stephen: I'LL LET-- I'LL LET YOU-- I'LL LET YOU FINISH
WHEN I DO.
( LAUGHTER )
POINT THAT-- DO YOU THINK THAT THE THUNGZ THAT WERE SAID, THE
ENUM RAILTED MORAL AND ETHICAL AND CRIMINAL FAILINGS OF THE
PRESIDENT AS DESCRIBED IN THOSE TWO REPORTS, PART ONE AND PART
TWO, DO YOU THINK THEY'RE SHOCKING IN ANY WAY?
>> OF COURSE,.
>> Stephen: DO YOU THINK PEOPLE--
>> BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MORE SHOCKING TODAY THAN THEY
WERE WHEN THE REPORT WAS RELEASED IN MARCH.
>> Stephen: THEY HADN'T BEEN LAID OUT SO SUCCINCTLY WITH THE
MAN RIGHT THERE.
>> LOOK, WE ALL TALK ABOUT OUR POLITICS BEING TOO TRIBAL,
RIGHT?
>> Stephen: I'M NOT SURE I SAY, THAT BUT GO AHEAD.
>> YOU PROBABLY DON'T BECAUSE YOU'RE PART OF A TRIBE AND THIS
IS THE ANTI-TRUMP TRIBE.
AND YOU REPRESENT THE ANTI-TRUMP TRIBE, AND SO DO A LOT OF PEOPLE
IN THIS AUDIENCE.
THERE'S A PRO-TRUMP TRIBE.
( APPLAUSE )
BEING IN ONE -- >> Stephen:
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
"DO NOT WELCOME THE HELP OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO WIN OUR
ELECTION" TRIBE.
THOSE ARE MY TRIBES.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
IN?
IF WE'RE TALKING TRIBES, I'D LIKE TON WHAT TRIBE YOU'RE IN
WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TWO THINGS?
>> I'M IN THE JOURNALIST TRIBE WHICH ISIT ISING THERE CALLING
THE SHOTS, EACH PITCH, THAT COMES IN-- IS THAT A BALL?
IS IT A STRIKE.
LET ME FINISH.
>> Stephen: AND IT SEEMS OLD.
IS THAT A STRIKE?
>> AND JUST AS ON SUNDAY, IF YOU WATCHED MY SHOW, YOU SAW ME --
>> Stephen: I DON'T WATCH YOUR SHOW.
>> I DON'T STAY UP AND WATCH YOUR SHOW, EITHER.
>> Stephen: I HAVE TO WATCH CBS.
LEGAL ME I'M NOT ALLOWED TO WAP FOX.
YOU SEEM NICE, BUT LEGALLY-- >> IN ANY CASE, JUST AS-- YOU
KNOW, I THINK THAT IF-- I JUST FELT THAT IT WAS-- I'M CALLING
BALLS AND STRIKES, AND JUST AS ON SUNDAY WHEN STEPHEN MILLER
OFFICE OUR SHOW, AND I TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT I THOUGHT
THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS STOKING RACIAL DIVISIONS, AND I BELIEVE
HE IS.
I WATCHED TODAY, AND I HAVE TO COME OUT-- AND YOU SAY, "WELL,
THESE ARE PERFORMANCE, THEATER, CRITIC NOTES."
>> Stephen: YES.
>> THE FACT IS, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
IF YOU ALL YOU CARED ABOUT WAS THE REPORT, THE REPORT WAS THERE
IN BLACK AND WHITE TWO MONTHS AGO.
THE WHOLE REASON THAT THEY HAD THE HEARING WAS TO BREATHE LIFE
INTO THE REPORT.
THAT'S WHAT JERRY NADLER, THE CHAIRMAN, SAID.
THEY DIDN'T BREATHE LIFE INTO THE REPORT TODAY.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TALK A BREAK RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'LL BE
RIGHT BACK TO TALK WITH CHRIS WALLACE AND MORE ABOUT THE NEW
DOCUMENTARY ABOUT HUSBAND FATHER, MIKE WALLACE.
STICK AROUND.