JUAN WILLIAMS ALL HERE LIFE AS
WE GET READY FOR THE RALLY.
WE BEGIN WITH THE CONGRESSMAN
CRENSHAW OF TEXAS WHO HAS BEEN
URGING HIS COLLEAGUES.
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING INTO
NIGHT.
>> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.
>> Ed: WHAT TO SAY ABOUT
BRENDA LAWRENCE FROM MICHIGAN?
OVER THE WEEKEND SHE WAS
BASICALLY SAYING THAT SHE IS FOR
CENSURE, THERE IS NO POINT TO
REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE.
TODAY ON MSNBC SHE FLIP-FLOPPED
AND SAID SHE STILL FOR
IMPEACHMENT.
WHAT IS GOING ON?
>> I THINK THAT'S INDICATIVE OF
THE PROBLEM DEMOCRATS HAVE
POLITICALLY HERE.
I THINK 31 SEATS THAT TRUMP ONE
METHOD ARE HELD BY DEMOCRATS,
THEY'RE IN A TOUGH POSITION.
ON THE ONE HAND THEY HAVE THE
RADICAL LEFT BASE THAT WANTS
IMPEACHMENT AT ALL COSTS.
THEY'VE WANTED SINCE HE GOT
ELECTED AND WE ALL KNOW THAT.
THEY'VE INDEPENDENCE THAT
THEY'RE STARTING TO LOSE NOW.
WE ARE SEEING POLLING DATA
SHOWING A SHIFT AND SUPPORT FOR
IMPEACHMENT AND IN FAVOR OF THE
PRESIDENT.
THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THESE
DEMOCRATS.
THERE'S NO UPSIDE FOR THEM.
WHAT THEY'RE HOPING FOR IS TO
MAKE THIS NARRATIVE STICK, TO
MAKE IT STAKE IN THE BACK OF
PEOPLE'S MINDS BY THE TIME THE
ELECTION COMES.
I THINK HIS IDEAS ON
I THINK IIS IDEAS ON
I THINK IT' IDEAS ON
I THINK IT'SIDEAS ON
I THINK IT'S AEAS ON
DYSTONIC TACTIC.
>> Ed: 50% OF AMERICANS SAY
THEY THINK MR. TRUMP SHOULD BE
IMPEACHED AND REMOVED FROM
OFFICE COMPARED TO 43% WHO SAID
THEY DIDN'T THINK SO THOSE
NUMBERS ARE BASICALLY SIMILAR.
EXACTLY SIMILAR TO WHERE THEY
WERE A MONTH AGO.
WHY HAVEN'T THEY MOVED?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT PULLS YOU
LOOK AT AND I DON'T STUDY THEM
TO THAT EXTENT.
OTHER POLLS HAVE SHOWED A
DEPENDENCE SWINGING IN THE
PRESIDENT'S FAVOR.
CNN, POLITICO SHOW SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
A LOT OF US TALK TO A LOT OF
VOTERS AND INDEPENDENTS,
REPUBLICANS, EVEN DEMOCRATS ARE
A LITTLE SICK OF THIS.
THEY SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS, IT'S
A POLITICAL GAME.
WE'VE HAD OPENED IMPEACHMENT
HEARING SENT EVERY SINGLE TIME
THERE IS SOME BOMBSHELL, WE
ACTUALLY SEE THERE IS NOBODY
WITH FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT
THE PRESIDENT'S POLICY WAS.
IT ALSO SEEM SUSPICIOUS THAT ALL
OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE
IMPLEMENTERS OF POLICY TOWARDS
UKRAINE NEVER HAD ANY OFFICIAL
GUIDANCE TO WITHHOLD AID FOR
THESE INVESTIGATIONS.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY
DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THAT.
THEY HAVE THESE PRESUMPTIONS.
THEY ALL SPOKE TO EACH OTHER IN
AN ECHO CHAMBER AND DECIDED THIS
WAS THE CASE.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO IMPEACH ON
THAT?
YOU CAN BE SUSPICIOUS BASED ON
THAT.
IT'S A REALLY RADICAL LEAP.
>> Ed: ADAM SCHIFF RELEASED
ANOTHER ONE OF THESE TRANSCRIPTS
FROM ONE OF THE WITNESSES WHO
TESTIFIED THAT TWO DIFFERENT
BUDGET OFFICIALS, CAREER
OFFICIALS HAD RESIGNED AFTER
SOME OF THE AIDE WAS HELD UP TO
UKRAINE.
IT EVENTUALLY WAS TURNED OVER.
IS THERE NOTHING ABOUT THE STORY
THAT TROUBLES YOU IN TERMS OF
HOLDING BACK AID?
>> YOU CAN SAY IT SUSPICIOUS,
RIGHT?
IT RAISES QUESTIONS, BUT IF
THOSE QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED
PRETTY LOGICALLY.
THE AIDE WAS SUPPOSEDLY WITHHELD
BECAUSE UKRAINE -- IT WAS
UNCLEAR WITH A NEW PRESIDENT WAS
COMING AND WHETHER THEY CLEANED
UP.
BY LAW, LAWS PASSED BY CONGRESS,
THE PRESIDENT HAS TO ASSURE
CONGRESS THAT CORRUPTION IS
BEING DEALT WITH IN UKRAINE
BEFORE WE ACTUALLY RELEASE THAT
AIDE.
THAT IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT
POINT.
THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO SAID THAT
HE WANTS OTHER EUROPEAN
COUNTRIES -- HE SAID MANY TIMES.
THIS ISN'T SOME NEW UKRAINE
SPECIFIC OPINION THAT HE HAS.
HE HAS HAD THIS MANY TIMES.
HE WANTS OTHER COUNTRIES TO
PITCH AND MORE.
THE FACT IS THAT BASED ON THE
EVIDENCE WE HAVE, YOU CAN BUILD
TWO DIFFERENT NARRATIVES.
YOU DEFINITELY CAN'T PROVE THE
VERY EXTREME NARRATIVE THAT THE
DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO PUSH.
YOU CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO
PROVING IT.
YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
WHY NOT?
WE ALWAYS SHOULD BE.
THEY HAVE GONE SO FAR DOWN THIS
RABBIT HOLE THAT IT REALLY SHOWS
THERE IS A POLITICAL MOTIVATION
BEHIND IT, JUST LIKE THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION AND JUST LIKE THE
BRETT KAVANAUGH HEARINGS.
THERE IS A TRACK RECORD.
WHAT IS THE MOST LIKELY
SCENARIO?
>> Ed: LAST QUESTION.
ROBERT REDFORD HAD A QUOTE THAT
CAUGHT MY EYE BECAUSE OF THE
POTENTIAL BOOMERANG.
HE SAID, IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO
GO ALONG WITH THOSE IN CONGRESS
WHO HAVE CHOSEN PARTY LOYALTY
OVER THEIR OATH TO SOLEMNLY
AFFIRM THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE
CONSTITUTION OF UNITED STATES.
IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE THAT
HAPPEN THROUGH THE POWER OF OUR
VOTES.
IN AN INTERESTING WAY, YOU'VE
BEEN SAYING, WHY IMPEACHMENT?
LET THE VOTERS DECIDE ANYWAY.
WHAT ABOUT THE LEFT SAYING THAT
YOU WOULD OTHER REPUBLICANS WILL
BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
SUPPORTING THIS PRESIDENT NO
MATTER WHAT?
>> WE DON'T SUPPORT HIM NO
MATTER WHAT.
I DISAGREE WHEN I THINK WE HAVE
POLICY DISAGREEMENTS.
>> Ed: WHO WAS GOING TO BE --
WILL ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER BEAK
ACCOUNTABLE?
>> I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT OUR
CHANCES IN NOVEMBER.
I THINK THE DEMOCRATS,