Interviewer: India scripted history to follow US, China and Russia entering the elite space
club, you have renowned Yogi Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev speaking to Republic TV in this conversation
when the Chandrayaan-2 launch happened.
Listen into this conversation as how he lauded the efforts of our scientists when it comes
to making this huge project and this program when it comes to Chandrayaan-2 possible in
a short span of time.
(Audio cut) Sadhguru at the launch and a lot of people were very curious to know what you
were doing there but I want to start by giving you the opportunity of talking about your
experience.
This must have been a spectacular experience for you, share that with us and also how you
came to be being there.
Sadhguru: It is a spectacular success for the Indian Space scientists.
ISRO as an organization, is a highly committed organization.
It is always…
I've been there quite a few times and it is always a great joy to see the level of commitment
and the simplicity with which they function.
And above all the brilliant scientists of our space research organizations, as simple
as they are (Laughs), and what they have achieved, and you know, I have been making some effort
to understand the complexities of how it is done, it is just mind boggling.
But the way it is done is really, really incredible.
And today is a huge, a massive step for India.
And I hope every Indian gets to know and celebrate this great success.
Interviewer: But Sir, I want to know from you, what is it that you were really interacting
with the scientific community there about?
Was there you know, was there a chat that you held with them over the last couple of
days?
What is it that you told them?
Sadhguru: (Laughs) They…
I've been involved with them.
I was there on 15th of July also.
So the important thing is whether you're a scientist or a doctor or news anchor, whatever,
you're essentially a human being.
So every human being is relevant to me and I'm relevant to them (Laughs).
Interviewer: All right.
All right, cryptic answer there.
But overall (Overlapping Conversation not transcribed), butterflies in your stomach
as well.
Are you nervous too today?
Sadhguru: No.
Ahh…
I've kind of mastered those butterflies long time ago (Laughs).
They… they are just in my brains, they don't fly in my stomach (Laughs).
Interviewer: How big do you think this achievement is for India, especially with the entire world
looking at it?
Sadhguru: It is a great moment and…
This is very significant, as you know, it is… we are the only fourth nation to manage
this.
Still it is not over there is still very delicate maneuvering to be done.
A large part of it is still not over actually, it is in the next fifteen days till seventh
of September that these manipulations will happen, which are very delicate and there
are many, many complexities and challenges out there.
But this launch happened way better than they had expected that what they were expecting
is some 39…
39,000 kilometers with Apogee, but it went to 45,000, which gave them an extra boost
or availability of twelve for the remaining operations, which puts them in a comfortable
position for what they wish to do, which is really wonderful for them.
But it's an incredible team out there.
It's something…
Interviewer: I still want to know…
Sadhguru: I would say ournews channels and everybody should…
Interviewer: I still want to know…
Sadhguru: Yes, please tell me…
Interviewer: Sorry, there is a lag between us, which is why it is coming across like
this.
But I want to know from you, how does a man of spirituality meet with the scientific community?
Spirituality and science meeting today with your presence there?
Sadhguru: Well, that's not a new affair because spiritual process is a science in its own
right.
It is just that one is exploring the external nature of creation, another is exploring the
internal nature of who we are.
So we’ve always been close together that way (Laughs), nothing new about that.
Interviewer: Hmm…Okay.
Sadhguru: So,this lag, don’t mistake me…
I’m in Mumbai…I’m not in the…(Overlapping Conversation not transcribed).
Interviewer: Yes, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Sadhguru: I'm sorry.
No, I said this time lag is not because I'm in the orbit.
I'm in Mumbai, just confirming to you (Laughter).
Interviewer: Even if you were in orbit, I think ISRO will do a fine job of reducing
the time lag for us, they are that good.
But I do want to understand from you, I don't know if you've seen, some ugly politics has
broken out over the launch of the Chandrayaan-2 as well?
You know, with the Congress saying that the credit goes to Nehru because it is during
his time that the ISRO and other organizations were launched.
Chandrayaan-1 came into being under Manmohan Singh, do you want to say anything on that?
Is it unfortunate to see this kind of politics on a day like today when the entire country
is celebrating as one?
Sadhguru: Unfortunate instead of giving our scientists the due, we get into these kind
of useless debates.
It is very, very important every citizen in this country, please focus on acknowledging
the successes as… of this nation, whether it's in science, sport, art, music, or even
spirituality.
Please learn to acknowledge that because these things need momentum, nation needs momentum,
not all the time claiming who was responsible for this.
Well, whoever is the prime minister has to do what he has to do for the country.
I don't see why these things should be ascribed to anybody.
Because the scientific development, the industrial and business development happens at any time.
At any time it happens.
So, so if it happened during a certain political era, it doesn't mean anything because it's
the work of the scientists.
Of course, political determination is needed.
Interviewer: Right.
Sadhguru: Of course, political determination is needed and budget and other things are
necessary but that is not the important aspect.
What is most important is, it is the scientific community who's achieved this.
I don't think any Prime Minister ever claimed that “I did it.”
So let's not these people go about claiming whether it belongs to Congress or BJP.
It is not like that.
It is, it is, this… it belongs to India and that's what is wonderful about it.
Interviewer: Absolutely.
Finally, just a couple of questions more Sadhguru, I want to understand from you, how, you know,
how you felt about…
Alright, I believe we are just connecting with Sadhguru in just a bit, but of course,
he's sending out a greater message of how… you know, there was a lot of work that was
done by the scientific community and they're the really, should be center stage right now.
Huge, huge achievement from them.
And when I get him back I do want to understand from him, the message that it sends about
the perseverance of our scientific community because remember just a week ago there was
a delay, there was a setback.
K. Sivan…
Alright, Sadhguru is back with us.
Sir, if you can hear me, K. Sivan, ISRO chief, talked about today, how in the twenty-four
hours after the last delay happened on July 15, mindboggling work had to go in, to kind
of not just, you know, do the launch again, earlier today, but also do it in such a spectacular
fashion, shows the perseverance of our scientific community, and their… and their brilliance.
Sadhguru: Extraordinary level of commitment and hard work, and of course, brilliance.
Without this, this won't happen.
At a time like this it will be disgraceful if people are fighting (Laughs), who should
get the credit – the credit goes to India, and let all of us learn to sa… enjoy that
and celebrate that.
Thank you.
Interviewer: Sir, one final question.
This is a moment that inspires a whole new generation.
I think one of the biggest take-aways from the fact that Chandrayaan-2 mission happened,
it happened in the way it happened, even you know, received a slight delay, is a great
inspiring moment, for a whole generation of scientifically curious children in India.
Do you think this is going to propel India into, you know, a greater scientific age?
Sadhguru: It definitely will inspire the younger generation in a huge way.
Myself at this age, I'm so excited about it that I had to go there and spend a few hours
and come back.
I'm sure the children and the youth of this nation are hugely inspired by this.
Definitely it will spawn the future scientists, space scientists on (or?) maybe astronauts
who will go beyond the boundaries of the planet, in so many different ways.
We don't know what more things are due for us.
But definitely, though we are not the number one country in this aspect, in Asia, leaving
China, we are the second country doing this and with the kind of budgets that our scientists
are doing, this is truly, truly remarkable and incredible.
Interviewer: Yes.
Sadhguru: No nation has done it with such low budgets as we have done it.
This shows how brilliant they are.
And as you said, Kailas Sivan mentioned that in twenty-four hours, I was talking to all
the teams who were involved there.
What they did in those twenty-four hours is almost like superhuman kind of effort.
It's truly, truly fantastic because once the leakage happened, they had to unload all the
fuel and again fix this and reload this and have everything calibrated and enormous amount
of tests to be done.
Everything through in twenty-four hours is a really a superhuman feat.