>>> WELCOME BACK. NOREL ESCALATION FROM HOUSE
DEMOCRATS ON THE SUBJECT OF
IMPEACHMENT TODAY.
IMPEACHMENT TODAY. THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
LAYING OUT THE PARAMETERS FOR
WHAT IT CALLS, QUOTE, AN ONGOING
IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. A VOTE IS EXPECTED THURSDAY ON
THOSE PARAMETERS.
THOSE PARAMETERS. THE DETAILS OF WHICH ARE LESS
IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THEY
SIGNIFY.
SIGNIFY. THE FIRST EFFORT THAT
ACKNOWLEDGES, IN EARNEST, THAT
THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS
CONSIDER ING
CONSIDER ING CONSIDERING IMPEACH.
CONSIDERING IMPEACH. .
. WITH ME IS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, STEVE
COHEN.
COHEN. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
I WANT TO GET TO ALL OF THIS.
I WANT TO START ON WHAT WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT IN THE LAST
SEGMENT.
SEGMENT. CLEARLY YOU’RE INDICATING YOU
ARE.
ARE. NEW REPORTING FROM "THE NEW YORK
TIMES" THAT LAST FRIDAY THE
COMMERCE SECRETARY, WILBUR ROSS,
WHOSE DEPARTMENT HAS
JURISDICTION OVER NOAA, CALLED
THE AGENCY’S ACTING
ADMINISTRATOR AND SAID THAT IF
THE BIRMINGHAM OFFICE TWEET WAS
NOT CONTRADICTED PUBLICLY, THERE
WOULD BE FIRINGS.
WHAT’S YOUR REACTION TO THAT?
>> IT’S JUST MORE INSANITY.
THE SHARPIE THING IS AMAZING.
WHEN THEY ASKED HIM AT HIS PRESS
CONFERENCE AND HE GAVE THE SAME
LOOK WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT
PAYING OFF STORMY DANIELS,
CHECKS, THE DOE IN THE
HEADLIGHTS LOOK OF, I HAVE NO
IDEA WHO DID IT, BUT HE NEVER
DID SAY, I’M GOING TO FIND OUT
WHO DID IT.
HE’S DONE ABOUT AS MUCH TO FIND
OUT WHO DID THE SHARPIE THING AS
O.J. SIMPSON HAS DONE TO FIND
OUT THE MURDERERS.
>> LET ME TURN TO THE SUBJECT OF
IMPEACHMENT WE SET UP IN THE
INTRODUCTION.
INTRODUCTION. YOUR COMMITTEE IS VOTING THIS
WEEK ON -- IS THIS AN
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY YOU’RE
FORMALIZING?
FORMALIZING? WHAT EXACTLY WILL THIS WEEK’S
VOTE DO?
VOTE DO? >> IT WILL FORMALIZE HAVING AN
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. WE’VE HAD HEARINGS THAT HAVE, IN
ESSENCE, BEEN THE BACKGROUND ON
THIS.
THIS. MY SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH IS
CONSTITUTION CIVIL LIBERTIES AND
CIVIL RIGHTS.
CIVIL RIGHTS. WE’VE HAD HEARINGS ON PARDON
POWER, THE LIMITS OF PARDON
POWER.
POWER. THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO
AN IMPEACHMENT VOTE WE MIGHT
TAKE.
TAKE. THIS IS FORMALIZING IT.
IT’S MAKING IT CLEAR TO THE
COURTS THAT WE ARE IN
IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND THE
COURT SHOULD HONOR AND SUPPORT
US TO GET TESTIMONY AND
DOCUMENTS THE CONGRESS HAS
OBSTRUCTED US FROM GETTING AND
THEY SHOULD COMPLY AND WORK WITH
US.
US. WE’RE SETTING UP THE SAME
STANDARDS AS WERE IN THE CLINTON
IMPEACHMENT AND NIXON
IMPEACHMENT AND THAT IS COUNSEL
HAVE 30 MINUTES ON EACH SIDE
AFTER MEMBERS HAVE DONE
QUESTIONING, THAT SEQUENTIAL
FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONING IS SO
IMPORTANT.
IMPORTANT. AND WE ALSO GIVE THE PRESIDENT
DUE PROCESS.
DUE PROCESS. AND WE HAVE CERTAIN PARAMETERS
WHEN WE’LL GO IN CAMERA ON
CERTAIN GRAND JURY TESTIMONY
THAT HOPEFULLY THE COURTS WILL
GIVE US BECAUSE IT’S NECESSARY
TO CONDUCT THE DEFENSE OF DUE
PROCESS, REALLY THE RULE OF LAW
AND DEMOCRACY, WHICH IS AT
STAKE.
STAKE. >> NOW, AT THE END OF THIS
PROCESS YOU’RE OUTLINING, THERE
WILL BE AN UP/DOWN VOTE ON
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, IS THAT
WHERE THIS IS HEADING?
>> THERE WILL BE A DECISION AT
SOME POINT ON WHETHER THERE WILL
BE AN UP/DOWN VOTE.
THERE COULD BE A DECISION BY
LEADERSHIP THERE WON’T EVEN BE A
VOTE.
VOTE. SOME PUBLIC LISTENED TO THE
MUELLER TESTIFY, THE FIVE CASES,
FIVE WHICH SEEM MORE COMPLETE.
THERE WERE DEFINITELY FIVE,
POSSIBLY TEN.
POSSIBLY TEN. AND THE FACT THEY WORKED WITH
THE RUSSIANS IN OVER 150 TIMES,
I THINK IT WAS, TO TRY TO GET
INFORMATION AND THEY SOUGHT
INFORMATION AND WELCOMED
INFORMATION FROM THE RUSSIANS
INTERFERING IN OUR ELECTIONS,
THEY WERE DOING AS MR. MUELLER
SPOKE AND THEY’RE DOING SO NOW.
THAT INFORMATION IS THERE.
IT WILL COME OUT FROM
LEWANDOWSKI, DEERBORN, McGAHN.
IF THEY SAY WHAT THEY TOLD
MUELLER, THE PUBLIC WILL BE
CONVINCED, EXCEPT THOSE THAT
OVERDOSED ON THE KOOL-AID THAT
THIS PRESIDENT HAS COMMITTED
SEVERAL CASES OF OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE.
JUSTICE. THE EMOLUMENTS HEARING FOR WHAT
HE HAS DONE NOT JUST TRYING TO
GET BUSINESS FOR THE DORAL
COUNTRY CLUB AND HIS GOLF
COURSES, BUT WHAT HE DOES EVERY
DAY AT TRUMP HOTEL, TRUMP TOWER,
TAKING MONEY FROM SAUDIS, TAKING
MONEY FROM CHINESE, ALL KINDS OF
FOREIGN FOLKS AND WELCOMING IT.
THESE ARE VIOLATIONS TO THE
CONSTITUTION.
CONSTITUTION. THEY ARE EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE
VIOLATIONS.
VIOLATIONS. WHEN THIS NEWS COMES OUT AND
OTHER INFORMATION, WHETHER IT’S
STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN Mc
MMc
MMc McDUGLE, THE PRESIDENTAYOFFS.
EVERY SINGLE DAY WE HAVE A
PRESIDENT WHO WOULD BE IN JAIL
WITH MICHAEL COHEN FOR A FELONY,
GETTING THE OFFICE OF THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
AND HE IS IN OFFICE.
THE ONLY WAY HE’LL AVOID
PROSECUTION IS IF HE GETS
RE-ELECTED.
RE-ELECTED. >> YOU SAID THERE MAY BE A
DECISION BY LEADERSHIP NOT TO
HAVE A VOTE.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE
LEADERSHIP OF THIS COMMITTEE OR
DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP?
DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP? THERE’S ONE READ ON WHAT YOUR
COMMITTEE’S DOING.
COMMITTEE’S DOING. NANCY PELOSI IS PUBLICLY
NONCOMMITTAL ON IMPEACHMENT.
THERE’S REPORTING THAT PRIVATELY
SHE’S TOLD DEMOCRATS, "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" REPORTED PRIVATELY
SHE’S TOLD DEMOCRATS THE PUBLIC
ISN’T THERE YET AND THAT YOUR
COMMITTEE IS ESSENTIALLY TRYING
TO FORCE HER HAND AND FORCE
DEMOCRATS’ HANDS ON THIS.
>> WE’RE TRYING TO PRODUCE THE
EVIDENCE THAT IS, I THINK,
CLEAR, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE
VIOLATIONS THAT WILL WARRANT
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. IF WE DO SUCH, THE PUBLIC WILL
COME UP, LIKE NIXON HEARINGS,
OVER 60% WHEN THE HEARINGS WERE
CONCLUDED, IS THERE A SMOKING
GUN?
GUN? I THINK THERE’S AN ARSENAL, A
GARRISON.
GARRISON. BUT, YES, IF WE BRING THE PUBLIC
OPINION UP GREATER, I THINK THE
LEADERSHIP WILL BE FOR US HAVING
A VOTE AND MAYBE EVEN TAKING
ACTION.
ACTION. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE DEDUCE
THROUGH THESE HEARINGS AND WHAT
THE PUBLIC’S RESPONSE IS.
I CAN’T SPEAK FOR LEADER PELOSI.
ALL I KNOW IS WHERE I THINK
WE’RE GOING.
WE’RE GOING. I THINK IF THE PROOF IS OUT
THERE WE’LL BE IN A GOOD SPOT IN
DECEMBER, THE PUBLIC WILL FIND
THEY’VE BEEN TAKEN FOR A RIDE.
>> QUICKLY, I JUST HEARD YOU SAY
BY DECEMBER.
BY DECEMBER. THERE’S PROBABLY ABOUT 40 DAYS,
I THINK THAT’S THE REPORTING OUT
THERE, ABOUT 40 DAYS OF
SESSIONS -- OF SESSION DAYS LEFT
BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
DO YOU HAVE TO -- YOU SAY YOU
HAVE TO TURN PUBLIC OPINION
AROUND.
AROUND. IS THAT THE DEADLINE, BASICALLY
END OF THIS YEAR?
>> PROBABLY GIVE OR TAKE.
I’M NOT SURE IF THERE’S A
CERTAIN DEADLINE BUT IT COULD BE
GIVE OR TAKE.
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK WE COULD
GO UNTIL JANUARY 2020, AT LEAST,
THE THIRD ANNIVERSARY OF THE