uh this is what Islam says about LGBT
right
Islam says that there has to be some
guidelines for intimacy for marriage for
sex there has to be some guidelines you
know last time in Toronto the parliament
of the world's religions there was a gay
Imam that inspired us so much
I Am David I'm Matt
okay assalamu alaikum peace be upon you
I'm here at the parliament in Chicago
2023
so they are here and they came to take a
short interview and also to share their
faith and inshallah God willing to learn
a few things about Islam
all right great uh so what faith
background that you guys belong to
Christianity uh Liberation Christianity
I see so if you have to have like a
30-second mission statement of your
faith background what would you say
I would say that we are here to honor
all people
to love all people to elevate all people
and to bring healing to Mother Earth
I would say uh speak the good news to
the poor and to set the captives free
great and if you ask me that question
okay sabir so my name is sabil right
okay what does Islam teach or what does
Islam preach we say that there is only
one God
and that God is not an idol Not a Human
Animal Trinity that God is the absolute
creator
the way that every Prophet every
messenger used to
call their people to worship on God
say that God loves Humanity so too
in God and then he chose from the humans
Messengers and Prophets
so Abraham and Moses and Jesus and
Muhammad peace be upon them were some of
those prophets number three of the four
really quickly is
Humanity needs guidance you know when we
learn how to drive we have to read a
book rules of the road so we need
guidance in all walks of life we need
guidance in how to form societies
political economic social matrimonial
Educational Systems so we say that
complete comprehensive practical
beneficial guidance God gave in the form
of a scripture which is the Quran given
to Muhammad peace be upon him and then
the last important point is that
Humanity we want to go to Paradise By
God's mercy how to how to go about doing
that we say that personal accountability
that nobody dies for us there is no
sacrifice of a person a prophet a human
we say that what we do is what we bear
if we have the right belief worshiping
only one God not taking Jesus Moses Idol
animals as God submitting to one God and
doing the Deeds that God wants us to do
if we fall short we ask for God's
forgiveness so having the right belief
doing good deeds God Mercy comes into
play that's the way to go to paradise
what does Paradise look like paradise is
a place yeah sure so there is a detailed
description of Paradise in the Quran and
through the sayings of prophet Muhammad
peace be upon him so Paradise is a place
of reward
this this world is a preparation Ground
God wants us God wants to see that are
we worshiping him doing the Deeds
helping Humanity leaving his brothers
and sisters in just days morality unity
and peace or are we rejecting God so
Paradise is a place of reward so
Paradise is a place in which any wish a
physical wish spiritual wish any wish
God is going to make it possible it's a
place of reward means we will have the
best families the best Mansions uh the
best food the best clothes the best
shares anything that we can desire God
will make that happen I can be part of
the Beloved Community
if they will be open to their brothers
and sisters as you said we are brothers
and sisters We are family and so our
desire is to experience that here so
what we say is that by God's guidance we
can form like a mini Paradise on Earth
all right yeah but the ultimate Paradise
that is not going to have any terminal
illnesses
no Wars no oppression no racism no
islamophobia no anti-Semitism uh no old
age no dying no death no suffering and
all the positive things that we desire
that is the ultimate Paradise over here
by God's guidance we can fight to bring
uh you know Justice and peace and
equality right yes so the paradise is a
place not only of the physical desires
getting fulfilled it also a place in
these spiritual desires like being close
to God uh actually seeing God so the
spiritual desires are many many times
much more than the physical desires so
at the end of the day to go to paradise
we need to make sure that we do
something and we have the right belief
believing in only one God taking Jesus
as a prophet along with the rest of the
prophets and doing the work that God
wants us to do if we do that my friends
then God's mercy comes into play and
that's the pathway to Paradise that's
how that's how I see it too except I see
it for this world and that
that the Beloved Community Paradise can
be entered into in this world even for
people who are atheists uh people who
are agnostics but people of every
religion can be a part of the Beloved
Community and experience Paradise for
their families for themselves here and
in this world yeah so what you're saying
is what I mentioned by us implementing
God's guidance by implementing the
solutions by implementing the Justice
for All Humans doesn't matter Faith or
no faith we can create a society that is
going to be the ideal Society with God's
guidance right yes but Paradise is a
place outside of this world after we die
according to Islam every single person
would be brought back to life there
would be a day of Resurrection in a day
of judgment you know just like when we
went to schools and colleges there is
evaluation at the end of the semester
so our grand evaluation of how we live
this life would be in the hereafter
and the way to go to paradise there
would be only two ways having the right
belief doing good deeds then God's mercy
comes into play
okay really quickly right uh what book
that you guys believe in
well we extract truth from every Source
wherever truth exists one of our
prophets by the name of Howard Thurman
he said a thing is not true because it
is in our religion but the thing is true
because religion Embraces it and so we
we find Hope in the Holy scriptures of
various types but also we can find Hope
in you
as a manifestation of paradise you as a
human being are a manifestation of God
and so if you are representing truth
then you are Paradise for us and we are
part of Beloved Community together
because we accept one another we accept
people on the margins as he's talking
about the people who are excluded the
people who are poor the people who are
oppressed so include so that would as he
mentioned people with disabilities
people who are racial and ethnic
minorities people who are lesbian gay
bisexual transgender and in inquiring
people who are rejected by their
communities they make our community sure
so what I'm saying is there's a good
concept right that's a good concept we
will come to the LGBT okay really
quickly what Islam says we have a
brochure up there you guys can take the
brochure
so the concept the world that you guys
want to build
Islam already built it many times in the
past so it's nothing that you know like
a world that we have to go towards and
we have to build Islam Give the recipe
how to build the world and many times in
the past Muslims have already built it
in which there was no hierarchy there
was a poverty was done away with women's
oppression was removed you know
minorities they had the rights so
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in
his lifetime and then the later Muslims
we already built it so we don't have to
go and extract and do the research and
start from scratch we already have the
recipe in the Quran and in the prophetic
sayings Prophet Muhammad peace be upon
him so the literature is here I would
really like you guys to take it right
and uh really quickly about LGBT that
she mentioned this is what Islam says
about LGBT right
Islam says that there has to be some
guidelines for intimacy for marriage for
sex there has to be some guidelines if
there are no guidelines it's a slippery
slope because we just cannot go with the
feelings that I feel this is right then
I should do it
we should go with uh you know which we
should always go with what does God
desire from us in any things that we do
any interaction or any action that we do
because if we just go with the feeling
it will just harm the society for
example if a person says you know I have
a feeling towards a dog I have a
feelings towards a child I have uh you
know but there's a difference a dog and
a child cannot give consent I cannot say
yes this is what I want sure it has to
be consensual you know last time in
Toronto the parliament of the world's
religions there was a gay Imam that
inspired us so much because he showed us
that he was Forward Thinking and that he
could he could be a same-sex attracted
person and still have faith in God so
Allah is not done right people may have
feelings towards an object or an animal
or a child or suppose what if they have
feeling towards their mother and if the
mothers gives the consent the child is
18 years of age then what one of them
has power over the other it doesn't
matter it's not the power the mother has
the power she's influencing their child
but to be consensual but there have to
be equal parties in enthusiastic consent
too yeah yeah so I suppose no because
there's so much power there's the rest
no suppose suppose if the child is old
more than 18 okay let's say the child is
30 the mother is 50 and the mother says
you know what no power we are both equal
when we are intimate yeah do you think
that somebody is influencing somebody
else no because of recessional power so
it's very no so the point is this yeah
okay okay what about uh a brother and
his sister who are who are you know
twins yeah no that's a hard no that's a
hard no why the thing is why because
we're talking about people
like so so I'm I'm uh heterosexual I'm a
cisgender heterosexual man uh attracted
to my wife I have only ever been
attracted to women but at the same time
I have a brother who is gay and I
respect him and because he was born a
way that I was not born I do not have
his challenges he does not have my
challenges he's not attracted to women I
respect him and I love him and I'm glad
that he's in the world no so so my point
is this right both of you agree they
have to be some guidelines
between yes so so one guideline you'll
never exploit or show Power yeah so so
exceptional so there has to be some
guideline
twins
we say and you say right away no they
cannot have sex together right so so
that's a guideline mother-son guideline
a man and a dog guidelines if a person
is exerting power over another person
okay suppose it's not power yeah let's
take no let's take the let's take the
variation let's take the variable of
power out of the equation then then a
man yeah a man is hundred a man and his
sister they are twins
can they have sex
can the man have sex with his sister
yeah well he can but that doesn't make
it right there you go so according to
your guidelines you can have sex with
the dog but that doesn't make it right
there he goes right so so what I'm
saying how long is the exercise of power
over another so what I'm saying is
they're not exercising power over each
other see we are taking the equation of
power out of it we are taking the
equation of you know uh man and a dog
yeah I get what you're saying so so but
even seduction is the use of abuse of
power it's not seduction okay it's power
no no it's all power okay listen listen
guys if the man and his sister twin
sister equal of age right equal height
equal age equal custom equal culture
equal Faith they say we are having
consensual sex together are you okay
with that no because then everybody is
seducing somebody okay suppose nobody's
seducing they say you know what we like
each other we want to ask free Society
we have feelings for each other nobody's
seducing equally we are Partners in this
your system breaks right there if it's
unnatural then there is an abuse of
power in one way or another no either
it's the power of Seduction or the power
of threat
suppose suppose if there is no threat
they both say you know what freely 100
threat huh in what world is there no
threat let's see if we say power and
threat we can use exactly the same thing
between any sexual situation that you
bring in if you say you know what two
consensual adults we can say there is
always power Threat Dynamics involved in
there in any situation that you give I
can use exactly the same argument as
you're giving to twins
so they're in there in is the breakdown
of your world view right so what we are
saying is that God is the one who gives
guidelines if we obey by God's
guidelines that's when humans can be
safe productive spiritual guided and by
God's mercy Paradise so guys you know
it's a it's awesome that you guys
stopped by I learned from what what
background that you're in yeah do take
the Quran it's free today all right we
have a Quran oh you do we well yeah I
have I have it I have it on my laptop
okay so because when I travel I can't
take too many books you know so so
besides the Quran you know what else we
have is about a happy and harmonious
home okay my kids are already parents
themselves but I would take this I'll
take this one how about racism yes how
about uh Solutions racism yeah okay so
my my friend here he has to have audio
books yeah sure sure okay it doesn't
work for me yeah yeah uh this one is
about drug crisis and Islamic Solutions
you know perfect comprehensive workable
Solutions I'll just take one yeah okay
just take one it has a telephone number
in there do give us a call the website
is in there okay may God guide and press
both of you and you as well all right
take care guys thank you nice meeting
you thank you thank you for the
conversation yeah yeah likewise sure bye