I am joined today by another professional my God he is a triple threat he's an author uh
he's a speaker he is the easy on the eyes um he's fresh off Turning Point USA uh he is triggering
groomers all over the Internet so happy to have him on the show again today James Lindsay hello
hello everything you just said about me is true I validate 100 of it okay good good wow you've been
a busy boy you just got back from turning point USA which to me seems like the Super
Bowl for conservatives like every picture I see from this event it's like people on stage with
fireworks and like yeah I just tweeted a picture there were fireworks I walked out on stage right
out to the front 8 000 plus people screaming I opened up my my jacket got a shirt says okay
groomer Crowd Goes Wild it was it is it's a Super Bowl for like kind of conservative or
you know even just pro-america uh sentiment right now every year this America Fest they had like 11
000 people this year come to that which is I think that's bigger than CPAC which is
boomerville and friggin Rhino country so good for them yeah there's the picture look at that did you
after I did the Tim pool podcast the next night um you know Ian Crossland everybody
loves Ian fell off the friggin stage which was pretty funny but not in the crowd Direction like
backwards which is sort of funnier but no no no crowd surfing but just me being like obviously
extraordinarily good looking and funny that is what happens uh on the inside jacket is this a
new discourses logo on the inside of your jacket it is somebody made me that jacket and if you pop
the collar on the back it says okay groomer no way 100 way it is so cool present from somebody this
year that's so incredibly thoughtful when you get something that's thoughtful like this but
also very good quality that's amazing like who how many people know how to make uh specialized jacket
Interiors that's pretty cool yeah the whole thing looks really good she did a great job
wow that's awesome okay do you ever feel like I don't know I I guess my my feeling of Turning
Point USA is like if you're not soup you know like you just said it's for conservatives but also
anybody who's kind of like pro-america or like freedom of speech Etc do you feel like there's a
kind of a strict box you have to fit into to be a speaker there or like do you do you ever feel like
well maybe not you because yeah because I don't fit in the box so no um but no I mean a lot of
the speakers are you know kind of the the circuit speakers and they say similar things and you know
you can kind of predict what a lot of them will say but that's speakers in general um a lot of
people go and give roughly the same speech all over the place for like you know a year straight
um and it you know it is familiar faces which has upsides and you know downsides but the upsides
are pretty good because it's momentum and the kids get to it's a lot of Youth with Turning
Point obviously so the young people get to kind of have that momentum uh that connection to the same
characters to get to hear their message maybe evolve or the same message multiple times or
whatever but uh on the other hand like I just mentioned Ian Crossland Ian Crossland doesn't
fit in with Turning Point whatsoever he was on the stage granted it was through the Tim pool
show but Tim's not exactly turning point you know standard and um we had the you know the
whole crew there so no um it's not like that if you've got a strong and clear message that talks
about what's going on in the world today and it's pro-america you're probably in good shape
um it's getting a little churchy a little faithy but that's okay because there's room for that too
um so I don't feel I mean I can't say in good conscience that there's a there's a box you have
to be in because I'm literally not in that box and they as you can see in the image think I'm cool
clearly yeah they they uh they don't use the fireworks on everyone
actually there's a funny story with that I don't think I got the fireworks one time with
them before and I didn't the last couple of times there were no fireworks I'm like what the hell is
this crap yeah and I lost it granted they're they're expensive and all that I get that so
Eric mataxis is the guy uh in the in the khaki pants or the cream colored pants over there and
um he's standing there and he's like all these things right before we go out and he's talking
to the the handlers back in the back and he's like all these things all these fireworks do
we get fireworks and he she was like do you want fireworks and I was like we want
fireworks and she leans into her microphone is like Sparks yes and then there they are so um
Sparks yes yeah it's it's crazy though because there's like 10
000 people there almost screaming and fireworks and the bass actually like is
messing up your insides it's like you get done and you have to go to the bathroom it's like
sponsored by Metamucil what is the the crowd like there so you said there's about 10 000 people
there is it a young crowd mostly is it so it it's yeah a little bit of both with America Fest
I mean it's kind of the hipper crowd that used to go to CPAC across all ages as coming to the
Turning Point stuff now um they're they they have specific youth Summits like their student action
Summit and so on that are virtually all college students or recent graduates and sometimes even
some high school students that they're trying to reach out to because it's for students but
this you know you've got you know some high school students there usually with their parents I mean
almost always I don't think I've met one that's not with their parents uh but a lot of a lot
of college students a lot of 20-somethings early 20-somethings and then it goes on up I mean I was
spending a lot of time with you know borderline Boomers so it's all the way up all the way in
between Gen X is really where a ton of the energy is happening right now really older Millennials
are kind of like spinning in his other direction and it's getting these gen Z kids fired up so uh
yeah America Fest is kind of an all ages kind of thing when I went there last year they told
me backstage you're like hey when you go out you normally talk to the students you're used to the
SAS thing but when the student action Summit but when you go out here you're gonna have a
lot of their parents in the audience so it's more of a it's a mixed crowd in terms of Ages
um at these things do you adjust your speeches all that much from speaking with students to you
know basically talking to their parents or like an older like older Millennial gen Z even Boomer
crowd I mean a little bit you have to because you want to be relatable to the audience and I
I when I I don't plan my speeches except when I do a workshop so I have these workshops and
I grotesquely over prepare for them but if I'm going to just go give a talk somewhere
um I 90 wing it and 10 kind of make an outline in my head usually like in the 20 minutes before I
get on stage sometimes the day before if there's some particular message I want to reach or if
they've given me a topic I'll think about it but I get up there and I try to have a I mean since
you you know with your career you'll understand this but I try to have a conversation with the
audience that's in front of me so the first part's like freaking awkward because you're
trying to figure out who these people are and what it feels like and what kind of jokes they
get and what kind of jokes they don't get and how deadly serious you have to be and uh but then you
get you know five three four minutes in it gets comfortable and you know or I'll just sitting
having drinks chilling no we're just not you know but you um you get to the point where you kind of
know how to read it and take the the the level to where it needs to be that kind of a environment's
hard when you have like 8 000 people screaming and the lights are weird so you can't see anybody
and you know it's a little different but uh yeah I mean you want to be relatable so try
to try to make it fit I don't try to use as many gigantic words in front of crowds of of students
although I do in front of their parents and I know they tell me afterwards it's just like when it
went right by so I don't know like these are all sat hot words you guys should all know these words
that's right you guys go go do your vocabulary lesson so you can come to my talk go look it up
are you have you been signing boobs like what is the the fan feedback you know I've attempted to do
that and it's just never panned out I've never had the opportunity uh I have offered to sign legs and
nobody wants it it's really weird I'm just kidding um I sign a lot of books I occasionally sign like
the back of somebody's like name badge or whatever uh mostly though in this era there's less signing
and more hey can I grab a selfie hey can I grab a selfie the favorite part for me because if you
follow me on Twitter now that I'm back on you can do that again but you know I've got this whole
like semi-serious semi-running joke about the moms right and so like at turning point I'll get these
younger it's always younger guys it's never like a woman or whatever but they'll come up to me and
they'll be like my mom is your biggest fan can I have a picture so I can send it to my mom and
I'm like yeah tell her tell your mom I said hi uh but it's it's selfies selfie selfie selfies
selfie yeah send this to your mom mom's love did you say don't wink I definitely do wink what are
you talking about yeah Mom's love I'm the Sammy Hagar of moms I went to the Turning uh no so this
is turning point I went to the moms for Liberty um Summit National Summit this year and it was like
500 moms and I called my experience there playing mom pinball like it was just like bouncing from I
was the ball like bouncing off of one Mom after another after another after another took me 45
minutes to get across the room playing mom pinball that's exhausting and fun that's the correct pair
of adjectives love you guys thank you for the chats thank you for the comments I will see you
guys tomorrow bye bye all right love you guys uh I don't even want to leave this candle smells so
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