You know what you look.
And it's hard for me to describe it.
All that stuff they say is evidence.
You look through it and there is no
evidence against anybody, may or Paul.
There wasn't any time and and
just too much made-up stuff.
That's all I can say.
It's and it's too bad that sometimes
the system works that way on on
on feelings instead of facts,
you know so but I am relieved and
I worry about my son, of course.
Promise for the family. The victims
family. Yeah. I feel
bad for them because I didn't
get no answers about what
happened to their daughter.
And we don't know what
happened to their daughter.
So, and I like I said,
I feel sorry for
what was your reaction when you
learned your son was found guilty.
Hi.
I don't know, I would just. Holding arms
itself. Are you
in a state of shock?
A little bit.
Mr Measeck, this is a big case for you.
Is this the biggest case
you've won? We'll take it on.
No. But it's the one I've been most
invested in on a personal level.
Because as you might remember what I
said at the very beginning, in this case,
this man is not just not guilty,
he's absolutely innocent.
And today's verdict proved that so.
You can quibble with me on the words there,
but he never should have been charged.
And I'm very pleased with the outcome.
Love our system of justice.
Is what it is.
Jury has absolute power to say
whatever they want to say.
But in this particular case,
they said not guilty,
and I think that's the right verdict.
So what
do you plan to do for the rest of the day?
What are you doing next? We're
going to Disneyland. Don't know. I
don't know. I have no idea.
Just just stop and sit.
Any message to the Rio Grande community?
What you know,
I'll speak on his behalf here.
It would be nice if the community.
Would actually honor the
presumption of innocence if you
go online like I do frequently or
get the comments. Forwarded
to me like my phone's blowing up right now.
There is just so much animosity
towards this man and his family.
There's so much hate and.
I really have never understood it.
I understand that people are
upset that Kristen is missing.
I understand they want that
person to be responsible for that.
But the just the.
You know the let's lynch them,
let's burn them,
let's hang him, let's kill him.
I don't know where that comes
from in this in this country,
and I wish the Community who still
feels that way would disabuse
themselves of those feelings.
So what's
your reaction just to the mixed
verdicts and the fact that one jury
found there was enough evidence,
another found there was not?
I think in this case there's
been a real lust for vengeance.
I think, like I said in my closing argument.
There is a reasonable inference to
be drawn that Kristen might still
be alive out there somewhere.
They never proved her death by the
way she'll go through the record.
Mixed verdicts happen.
This is my first dual jury trial ever so.
I guess I'm surprised at that, but.
I'm relieved that the outcome,
I think it's the absolute
right and just outcome,
certainly the lawful outcome.
So he's free to go.
Guys, when you heard the verdict,
read in your sense case.
I don't know. It's.
I didn't think about it,
but it turns out I was just.
Hoping you know it was.
Not guilty but.
It's it's just tough.
It's really hard to say the words,
but not feeling sorry, I was just holding on,
that's all. Were you able to
sleep throughout the trial?
Most of the time.
But there's a lot of nice for you.
You're always wondering and
think about this and that.
But you know what's
what's tough is that the Sheriff's
Department, for 25 years, they
say she's, she's buried in
the back of Susan's house
and they've had searches
and everything is fine.
And then they said she's buried
out there and someplace else.
I don't know how many
places she was buried.
And then they come and then
at the end they come to my house,
says she was buried here.
Well surprise me you know and said I
did her up I made 81 years old. You know
I don't do too much digging
out to tell you and going
under the OR anything
you know just
so much stuff they
made-up and and and and try to get the jury.
It was about
feelings it wasn't about. About.
Facts I was gonna say about
feelings and I think that's
what happened with my son,
is they were carried away with
feelings about their family and
and and and the girl missing.
Of course everybody feels bad you know,
when when you have a daughter missing.
So alright.
But like I said before I feel sorry for
him because they didn't get no answers.
Did you get a chance to talk to Paul at all?
No, there's one out. Well,
will you reach out? To
Paul. Well, I don't know where he's going.
I don't know if he's still. You see him still
being in constant contact.
They've been in constant contact.
This is his father, of course,
and, and his mother.
His mom's been in contact.
He hasn't been allowed to speak
to him because codependent.
So yeah, so, but after after now,
he'll be able to speak to him.
So how long has it been since
you spoke with your son?
Well, I said within the next year,
you know, we should talk about football,
baseball. But right now just
playing all year and a half,
two years since a year and a half.
A year and a half.
He was arrested on April 13th, 2021.
Hey, Mr Flores, with with your trial over
Paul's trial over, what do you do now?
Go back home and. Yeah, do what?
I just, I don't know. Well,
and just go home and go hunt to
travel up and down the coast just
like you guys. You know, he's
got to go home, he's gotta rebuild the
deck that was destroyed in a search
for that was ultimately fruitless.
And there's no way really to get
restitution from the county for that
because they operated in good faith.
So there's a lot of things
that he needs to do,
but I think primarily he just
needs to rest and he is retired.
Trying to put this a little bit behind it,
but how can he do that when
his son is now facing?
A lifetime in prison
when I say about the publicity,
as the sheriff's and DA do,
like when they came and arrested me.
They woke me up and I looked out the
door and a lot of you were there and and,
and I mean it was like a carnival,
you know, the SWAT team, the FBI,
the, all the deputies counting cars,
county trucks, newspapers,
everybody's there.
You know, you ain't got a chance.
And you know what?
So what was your reaction
when you were arrested?
What you know. And they didn't tell me.
They just take me, you know,
and and I didn't find out what else
arrested for until I got fingerprinted
and I said I how come you take my DNA?
And the deputy there told me
why they're taking my DNA.
I didn't know. They just take you.
They don't give you much answers.
I asked the deputy lady. I said,
who called all these people, you know?
You come here or we didn't.
Of course they did, you know,
but you go to trial or everything else
when they take you away in handcuffs
and you got all everybody there.
They say they goes guilty.
You know, the neighbors think you're guilty.
People in the community,
I'm involved in different
things and, you know, so.
Do you plan on staying in the Rio Grande,
or do you plan on moving somewhere else
to rebuild your life or move? Why? I
didn't do nothing. You know,
I moved from someplace else to there,
and that's a good place to live. You know,
I'm not afraid of anybody. You know,
he built that house 31 years ago,
and he's lived in it ever since,
raised his family in it.
Why would he move again? No.
No one seems to to start from the perspective
that the answer just might be innocent,
that all of this conduct has been innocent.
And they jumped, right?
They just jumped the gun
and go right to the guilty,
go right for the juggler.
Sure, if he's a guilty, evil man,
I wouldn't want to live next to him.
I wouldn't want to represent him.
He's not a guilty, evil man.
He's a kind, generous,
innocent man.
And why was she not
in the book? Cheese.
Had medical premedical problems
since she had some doctors today,
she would have been here tomorrow,
but today she just couldn't make it go see
Mr Flores. Any thoughts on the
podcast and the role it played in
all of this?
Ah. A lot
but. I don't have enough
time, you know. I mean.
It's some of the things that were.
Go out and find witnesses or stuff
or make up things or get them going.
I don't know. It's it's hard to describe.
You have to sit down and think about
it and write down things. But.
There's been a lot of bad stuff
written even even in in your
newspaper there though the editorial,
they didn't do me no favors of
the of the telegram, you know,
but everybody wants somebody,
you know, they want to hang somebody,
everybody, you know, so.
So like I said, I'm glad it's over and
I got some people that doubted me or.
You know how they feel.
But I don't see a lot of changes
because people didn't get no answers,
like I said before.
So they still want answers.
A lot of people,
you know, so like I say,
they're still probably tomorrow the big
by going by soon saw them blowing the
horn and they'll be driving by my house,
you know, just people, you know,
they they believe everything they read,
everything they hear or you know me,
I got a flip phone.
I don't listen to any of that stuff,
you know?
I don't know anything about what goes on,
but the people that are on there
every day and and this kid wound up,
wound up, and you know, they're in,
they don't hang somebody,
you know?
You know, like I said,
I just didn't have much time to think
about the questions and answers. I wasn't
prepared for this.
So essentially you're processing.
I I they're talking about it.
That's between them. I don't know.
I haven't talked about anything.
I just want out.
In court, you know. So
what has been the most challenging part
for you during this time and how did
you overcome it?
Just hang in there and don't worry about it.
I I know where I stood. You know,
I'm always a good guy. You know,
I'm an active and community affairs and.
I was coaching kids and.
I've been an elk here 20 years, you know.
The Moose Lodge and Coach Soccer
and Little League and always been
a good guy you know and and I
threw a curve at you one day and.
Take a while to get over,
but I made you one,
so how long am I going to worry about it?
It's also important, I think,
to note that he's been wearing
an ankle monitor since his
release on bail April 15th,
a year and a half year
and a half ago.
So he has and maybe this will associate the.
Bob a little bit.
He has served what would have been his
full sentence if he had been found guilty.
So in my opinion he still would have
been released today even if he was
found guilty because he has spent more
than 18 months on an ankle monitor.
You double that for conduct credit,
maximum census, three years.
So this was kind of a.
Anti climatic but I'm glad
you got the not guilty
yeah have you heard from Susan and
Susan's got that she's a I'm
sure she knows about the world.
Yeah, we'll talk to her soon, yeah.
And it is very likely that Paul's
attorney will file a motion
for new trial. There's several
grounds, so you could probably
expect that from Mr Sanger.
Is there anything in particular
that you think was? On the appeal,
but in your case with the verdict,
do you think they're what do you think
was the strongest evidence or what really
swayed the jury?
And you, you saw this and you a lot of
your comment commentators mentioned this.
The funny thing about this case
was for the more serious charges,
they had 00 physical evidence.
They had the dog alert, right,
and the coincidence of being the last one.
Maybe they have seen her.
Obviously somebody else saw her after him.
In my client's case,
they allege they had biological evidence.
And if the jury had found that sufficient,
they would have found him guilty.
So I'm very thankful the jury did not
believe that the alleged blood evidence
and the alleged bodily fluid evidence
was in fact evidence of anything.
I think they believed our version of it,
which if it was evidence of anything,
it was certainly doubtful what it meant.
And so I'm very pleased that this
jury was diligent. They were.
Committed. They've showed up every day.
They've they were fantastic.
And I got to say I was surprised
because telling Ruben this yesterday,
when they walked in with the verdict
yesterday, they wouldn't look at us.
So I was really a little nervous about today.
Didn't look at us again today, but then.
They ruled the right way.
So as an attorney,
do you think the the finding for the dad
is a defense for the
son on appeal?
Yes, certainly because again, the the
prosecution's theory, although they.
You know, there's been several theories.
Prosecution's theory is that the
body was taken the night that,
or the day out, night after she
died and and buried at his house.
My jury didn't believe that.
So certainly juries are finders of fact.
So that's a fact that the jury has
determined there was nobody buried there.
They wouldn't have found him not guilty.
Yeah, it's important to his defense.
It's important to people.
Thank you. Thank you guys.