JUSTICE TO USE YOURS AND MY TAX
DOLLARS TO OVER TURN THIS.
A CONTRIBUTOR HERE AT MSNBC
BROKE THIS STORY, KATIE BENNER.
>> YES, THE END OF DECEMBER INTO
JANUARY, THE PERIOD RIGHT INTO
THE INSURRECTION.
MARK MEADOWS ASKING HIM TO LOOK
AT AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT
CONSPIRACIES, TWO WHICH HAVE
BEEN DEBUNKED BY INVESTIGATORS
IN GEORGIA AND NEW MEXICO.
AND ALSO TO LOOK AT THE
CONSPIRACY YOU MENTIONED WHICH
WAS WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE COULD
DOWNLOAD SOFTWARE FROM ITALY.
NOW WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT EVER
ACTED ON THIS.
WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY JEFF ROSEN
THAT CERTAINLY DID NOT OPEN ANY
OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS.
THE WHITE HOUSE WAS PRESSURING
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE
CREDENCE LEND CREDIBILITY TO
THESE CONSPIRACY THEORY AS THE
PRESIDENT WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY
TO RETAIN POWER.
>> IS THIS ONE OF THE REASONS
THAT BILL BARR CHECKED OUT EARLY
OR HE WAS RECEIVING THIS KIND OF
PRESSURE?
>> WE HAVE REPORTING THAT BARR
KNEW THAT EVEN AFTER THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT TOLD THE WHITE HOUSE
THAT IT HAD INVESTIGATED FRAUD
AND NOT FOUND ENOUGH FRAUD TO
CHANGE THE OUTLOOK OF THE
ELECTION THAT THE PRESSURE WAS
NOT GOING TO LED UP.
WE REPORTED THATS ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY HE DID NOT WANT TO
LEAVE.
ONCE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN NO
LONGER HAVE AN IMPACT AND NOBODY
IS GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU, IT
DOES SEEM LIKE A MOMENT FOR SOME
TO GO.
WE NOTICE THAT THE MINUTE BARR
WAS GOING TO ANNOUNCE AND ROSEN
TOOK OVER, HE WAS CALLED TO THE
WHITE HOUSE WHERE TRUMP DID
PRESSURE HIM TO INDEED OPEN IN
INVESTIGATIONS INTO ALLEGED
VOTER FRAUD.
>> ARE THERE ANY POTENTIAL
CONSEQUENCES FOR MEADOWS DOING
THIS?
I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON IN
CONGRESS.
>> THIS IS AN INTERESTING THING.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT
CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS
HAPPENING.
THERE IS INSPECTOR GENERAL
INVESTIGATION.
WHAT WE KNOW IS MEADOWS ASKING
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS A
VIOLATION BETWEEN THE WHITE
HOUSE AND THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT.
>> WHAT IS A VIOLATION MEAN?
>> IT MEANS YOU BROKEN THE RULES
BUT IT IS NOT CRIMINAL.
IT IS NOT PART OF THE U.S.
CRIMINAL CODE, THERE IS NO LAW
AGAINST ITMENT.
WHEN WE THINK OF ACCOUNTABILITY,
IT IS THE VOTERS CREATING THAT
ACCOUNTABLE
ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT IS NOT A LAW THAT WAS BROKEN.
AND THERE IS OUR REMINDER, THERE
ARE NO INSTANCES OF WIDESPREAD
FRAUD. THIS IS WIDELY KNOWN TO BE THE
THIS IS WIDELY KNOWN TO BE THE
MOST SECURE ELECTION IN IS
INDUSTRY HISTORY.
DESPITE THAT, THERE ARE STILL
STATES OVERTURNING THE ELECTION.
WHERE IS IT COMING FROM?
IS MARK MEADOWS STILL INVOLVE IN
ANY OF THESE?
>> CONSPIRACY THEORIES TAKEN
OVER THE MESSAGING OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
DO WE NEED THEM AND FUEL THEM OR
MAY OFF OF THEM AND TRY TO WIN
OFF ELECTIONS BASED OFF OF THEM.
CERTAINLY THE IDEA OF THE
ELECTION FRAUDULENT HAS BEEN THE
BASIS OF NEW VOTING LAWS
INTRODUCED IN VARIOUS STATES, OR
IS THERE A PUSH BACK INCLUDING
THE FACT THAT JOE BIDEN WON THE
ELECTION.
THERE IS A ROLE THAT THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT TOOK PLACE IN ALL
THIS.
RIGHT NOW AS CONGRESS
INVESTIGATES WHAT HAPPENS IN
THOSE LAST DAY OF THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION IS UP TO THE
CURRENT DEPARTMENT UNDER MAYOR
GARLAND TO DECIDE WHETHER JEFF
ROSEN AND JEFF DONOHUE CAN TELL