I can't believe it's been almost ten years since the office has gone off the air.
What do you think your character Kelly would be up to now ten years later.
>> I think she probably would have quit, Dunder Mifflin to be an influencer and
then probably been canceled almost immediately.
>> Now clearly a lot has changed over the past decade and
the office did run from 2005 to 2013.
So just think about how much has changed since 2013.
And Mindy Kaling who wrote, produced, directed and
starred in the office, reflected back on some of the content in that show.
And she believes that some of the characters and
the characteristics of those characters were so taboo that the show
probably wouldn't get the kind of reception it did back then today.
She makes that point in the next video.
Let's watch.
>> That show so inappropriate.
I mean we always talk about the writers I'm still in touch with.
Now, we talked about how so much of that show we probably couldn't make now
tastes have changed and honestly what offends people has changed so much now.
And so I think that actually is one of the reasons why the show is popular
because people feel like there's something kind of fearless about it or
taboo that it talks about on the show.
>> So I didn't expect that to lead to some backlash but
it did because when it comes to twitter, when isn't there backlash?
Right, so there were people were no your show wouldn't have gotten canceled.
We can see your show, it's true.
I mean the show still airs on Comedy Central, you can watch it on peacock.
Apparently young people are loving it.
They're watching it all the time so
they're arguing no, it wouldn't have gotten canceled.
And guess what?
Both parties are right and I'm gonna make my point in just a second, but
I want to give you the receipts, give you some examples.
So Andrew Lawrence says this is true.
It's impossible to find reruns of the office anywhere because of cancel culture.
Riley Freeman says all celebrities do is sit around and lie about cancel culture.
The Office is almost on 24 hour loop on a 24 hour loop on tv today.
And then we've got joe Berkowitz who says today's young people would never accept
The Office a show so inappropriate.
You can only find it by turning on Comedy Central at any time of the day ever.
So they're right.
But I think that there's a disconnect here that's been frustrating
from the very beginning.
You and I touched on a little bit, but I don't think you're hearing me.
So I'm gonna bring it up again and see if maybe you'll get what I'm trying to say.
>> Okay, I'm pretty dumb, so probably not.
>> So I think what's happening is people are confusing.
The endless supply of people who will whine and
bitch about anything on twitter as actual cancel culture when in reality.
And by the way, I have no doubt that if the office aired for
the first time today in the exact same way it did back then with the same characters
now I have no doubt.
No doubt I would bet money on it that there would be people on twitter crying
about it, okay.
>> Sure.
>> But the twitter mob is not representative of people in general and
the show was tremendously popular back then.
It's tremendously popular today.
The cry babies on twitter again, that's not cancel culture.
That's just people complaining on twitter because that's what twitter's for
at this point.
Yeah, look, you said that I didn't get what you mean.
I'm not exactly sure what the disconnect is.
>> Yeah.
>> You feel like I understand that you seem to be more on the side that I
consider myself on that.
>> Yeah. >> People use the term cancel culture to
be in all sorts of things and it doesn't mean anything.
>> They do.
>> Like what you say.
>> I agree with that, but
you seem to think that it never existed in any kind of context.
>> I don't think it exists as a culture.
I think cancel culture refers to culture, people having opinions about things.
I think that there are people who have been identified as having done or
said something wrong.
There's been a huge strike back and that has severely impacted their career.
I believe that we could come up with some examples.
>> Yes and seems to be.
>> I just think that those are so rare that I wouldn't call it a culture.
>> So this is the distinction between when it actually happens versus celebrities who
think it's happening to them when it's not happening to them.
>> So you think that what she means is that there'd be people complaining
on twitter.
>> Yeah, and I think she's.
>> But that that wouldn't cause the network to actually pull it.
>> Correct, that's what I think.
>> Yeah, I thinkI don't know if maybe she's being a little bit defensive
just in case something gets focused on early on she wants to be on the right side
of an advance.
Or maybe if maybe if she doesn't mean it as strong as it's coming across because I
don't agree with her and she's clearly incredibly smart.
>> Yeah. >> As you said,
she was involved in literally every part of that.
I don't agree with her that would be canceled.
I mean, not only is it popular now, it's way more popular now than it was.
>> I love The Office.
So look, for anyone who hasn't watched The Office,
I don't know what's wrong with you.
You should because it's hilarious.
But the whole point of the show is to mock the problematic people that
you might come across in a workplace environment, right?
People who might mean well, but they'll say things that are ignorant and offensive
sometimes, I'm trying to think of specific examples from the show [LAUGH].
>> Look, Michael has done and said things that are racist and misogynist.
>> Super misogynistic, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But it's not meant to celebrate that it's a satirical show meant to mock those
types of people and I think most people get it right?
When it comes to twitter twitter I think is like maybe the only
place in society where people pretend like they don't believe in context or
intentions or anything.
Because they just want their their frustrated life right there,
looking for a place to vent and twitter is the place to do it.
>> Yeah.
>> So they'll find whatever their target is that day, lose their minds,
put out a bunch of tweets about whatever they're allegedly offended by.
And if it's too much for you, just log off, come back a few days later and
they've moved on to something else, right?
>> So just wait.
>> Just wait.
>> Just wait. >> Just wait.
Yeah, and you and you the context is that the Michael Scott is not a great guy.
>> Exactly.
>> Well at least not for those reasons, like we're making fun of him now, look.
>> He's a mixed character though, I think he's super ignorant in a lot of ways,
but he's got a good heart [LAUGH].
>> Definitely and that's why people like him, but and look,
you can do that sort of thing where it's like that character is racist.
But there can be context in which it seems you just want to make those jokes
kind of like that's possible.
>> Yeah, but that's not what the offices.
>> The office and by the way there's also not that like so
randomly when the World Cup again, I saw on twitter,
there was this clip from the Simpsons going around.
And it was when there was a soccer match in Springfield that they went to.
>> Yeah.
>> And the announcer started saying the names of the players and
it was just nonsense sounds and I guess in theory they could be making the point that
the announcers racist, but that wasn't clear.
It just kind of seemed the joke was that these people have weird names kind of
seemed it was just those foreigners have weird names, which is not the same thing.
And by the way, I grew up watching married with children.
>> Yeah.
>> The jokes about fat women, I guess, look, you are supposed to believe
that al sucks, but it's kind of just jokes about fat women like a lot of the time and
that's the show that I like.
But obviously I think that's different than the office.
>> Yeah, all right,
I'm gonna, I just have more.
>> It wouldn't be canceled.
>> I mean married with children would definitely be canceled today.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that would be devastating.
I mean, I thought, it was a great show anyway, but
let's move on because I wanna provide the receipts like this
was brought to my attention this morning by one of our wonderful producers Taylor.
>.Because I was making the argument during the production meeting that I'm making
right now.
And Taylor was like, did you ever hear about this one tweet where this
woman shared a lovely story about her and her husband and
twitter reigned terror on her for for like this lovely tweet.
I was this is a perfect example to bring up in the context of this story.
So here it is.
So a woman named Daisy garden coffee lady, which sounds fun, says my husband and
I wake up every morning and bring our coffee out to our garden and sit and
talk for hours every morning.
It never gets old and we never run out of things to talk to.
Love him so much.
All right, so that is the most benign,
almost lovely actually tweet that you could come across on twitter.
Mildly unbearable [LAUGH] I'm not going to tweet at them, I'm not mad.
>> I'm just perfect for you, John.
>> A little bit unbearable.
>> Twitter's perfect for you, she's happy.
>> I don't want her to not be happy.
>> Just like, listen if you're miserable, then stay miserable fine,
but don't rain on other people's parade, okay.
There's such a shortage of happy people right now who want to share positivity in
society.
So keep your little and I'm not talking about you.
>> [LAUGH] >> Kind of but
the people that I'm about to read from, just keep your goddamn comments.
>> Would never tweet any of the things a bout feeling you know clearly about it.
>> No, wouldn't, so I didn't censor the screen names or the handles
of these people because they put it out there in the public for the world to see.
So let's have the world see it.
Let's have the world see it.
Here's an example.
I wake up every day with chronic pain torsal tunnel syndrome and
wash my OCD medication down with an iced oat milk latte.
But whatever potatoe potato am I right?
So, basically, I have these conditions and I have struggles in life.
So if you like guess what?
We all have struggles in life, all of us, every single one of us.
Different things have so many things that have been happening with me with my family
that I don't share publicly.
And especially don't respond to someone who's having a good day and
is sharing a lovely thing about themselves with my problems, okay.
>> Yeah.
>> If you're miserable and you want to be miserable great.
Why do you have to go out of your way to try to make others feel guilty for
feeling happy.
>> I don't know.
>> It's just.
>> Well and by the way.
>> Get it together carl get it together.
>> What if the tweet the original tweet had been I go to the garden,
I drink the thing.
We have lots to talk about.
Why aren't you doing this every morning?
If it had ended that way then.
>> Yeah.
>> I think a lot of these responses would be much more merited.
>> She just sounds like a hippie girl who loves horticulture and her husband.
>> Well and.
>> And just let her live.
>> Sure and writing a tweet like that seems a bit different in than a lot of
social media activity in that.
It's a paragraph that was written.
But basically every image people put on Instagram is that tweet?
>> Yeah.
>> I went on a great vacation and I did this and the sun was in the face and
the hands.
>> This is the reason why I prefer Instagram over TikTok not Tiktok.
I prefer Instagram over twitter.
>> But it is just the same thing.
It's my life.
>> Yeah.
>> Is good or I'm not miserable.
>> It is great.
>> And most people don't respond to those images by bitching at them.
>> Here's another example.
I wake up at 6:00AM shower and go to work for
a shift that is a minimum of 10 hours long.
This is an unattainable goal for most people.
>> Well it is an unattainable goal.
>> Yeah, no we get it.
>> Know that person is right.
>> Yeah.
>> But you don't need to tweet that.
>> Yeah, here's another one.
By the way, you can tweet that don't tweet it in response to someone who's having
a good day and is sharing something lovely.
>> Sure. >> What is the purpose of
this communication?
I'm happy for you.
But it's just smug, self satisfied bragging, if it's true.
Your partner is most likely embarrassed by the tweet or
at least should be this is useless.
That is unless you are flogging something.
>> Yeah.
>> I just, I want.
>> You getting too fast [LAUGH] >> Anyway.
>> Calm down. >> Listen, final one because this one he
really did he or she, I don't know and this account doesn't exist.
I checked anymore.
They tried to combine everything, all the bad stuff into one.
This is cute and all but
did you think of all the people who wake up to work grueling hours,
wake up on the streets alone or with chronic pain before posting this?
You should be mindful next time before bragging about
your picture perfect life, you might upset someone log off.
I wake up at 6:00AM every morning and I'm working till the show ends, okay.
Oftentimes I have meetings after the show, so I'm working all day.
I think her tweet was lovely because I'm not a miserable loser who needs
to like go out of my way to make other people miserable.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, we kind of went off on a little bit of a tangent, but
I tried to make a point about how twitter is not real life.
Most people in real life, they don't do that.
They don't meet your positive commentary or
positive updates about your life with insane judgment and negativity.
So celebrities, you've made it, you're good, okay, you're successful.
No one's canceling you, let them yell at you on twitter if it's bothering you,
just log off.
It's not going to destroy your career, come back later when they've moved on to
another target and will succeed in making someone else as miserable as they are.
Okay, that's it.
That's all I wanted to say.
>> [LAUGH] >> All right, let's move on.
So I guess you do agree with me.
>> I think so, I think we agree more on.
>> Yeah.
>> Early on my big disagreement.
I think with you and maybe more more so with Cenk was that I felt the political
intention behind spreading the idea of cancel culture was very clear.
I feel a lot of people now are pretty, they get that.
>> Yeah. >> I feel two years ago it was a little
bit to me it was just the PC thing again.
It is a different flavor.
>> It was every decade there's a different term for
why conservatives should be able to do whatever they want and the left is bad.
>> Yeah.
>> And they called it cancel culture this time.
But it's the same thing every decade.
>> I agree with you on that.
>> Okay.