>> MOST DEFINITELY.
>> LEAVING IT RIGHT THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
>>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
WE HAVE A LOT TO GET TO TONIGHT,
INCLUDING A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT
FROM CAPITOL HILL.
OKAY, REMEMBER HOW REPUBLICANS
BLOCKED THE FORMATION OF AN
INDEPENDENT COMMISSION TO PROBE
THE JANUARY 6th INSURRECTION?
WELL, TODAY SPEAKER PELOSI
SHOWED SHE IS STILL THE BOSS,
ANNOUNCING A SELECT COMMITTEE TO
INVESTIGATE THE INSURRECTION.
IT MEANS DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE
SUBPOENA POWER AND AS MUCH TIME
AS THEY NEED TO LOOK INTO THE
ATTACK.
WELL HAVE MUCH MORE ON THAT
COMING UP.
>>> BUT WE BEGIN "THE REIDOUT"
WITH BAD NEWS FOR RUDY.
THANKS TO THE LEGAL WORK THAT HE
DID FOR TRUMP WHO ULTIMATELY
STIFFED HIM ON HIS LEGAL BILLS,
FORMER MAYOR AND ONE-TIME SDNY
PROSECUTOR IS NOW BANNED FROM
PRACTICING LAW AND FACES
PERMANENT DISBARMENT.
A NEW YORK STATE COURT SUSPENDED
HIS LAW LICENSE OVER THE
ELECTION LIES HE SPEWED.
IN A 33-PAGE DECISION THE PANEL
OF JUDGES WROTE WE CONCLUDE THAT
THERE IS UNCONTROVERTED EVIDENCE
THAT GIULIANI COMMUNICATED FALSE
AND MISLEADING STATEMENTS TO
COURTS, LAWMAKERS AND THE PUBLIC
AT LARGE IN HIS CAPACITY AS
LAWYER FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, A COURT OF LAW
LITERALLY RULED THAT RUDY
GIULIANI IS A LIAR.
IN FACT HE WAS DEEMED SUCH A
PROLIFIC LIAR THAT HE WAS
CONSIDERED AN IMMEDIATE THREAT
TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
AND AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, HE
DIDNT TAKE IT WELL.
>> HOW CAN THEY SAY I LIED?
THEY HAVENT HAD A HEARING.
IVE BEEN A LAWYER FOR 50 YEARS,
NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT.
SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO FIX THIS
DOUBLE STANDARD JUSTICE SYSTEM,
WHICH IS NOT AMERICA ANYMORE.
I MEAN I MIGHT AS WELL BE IN
IRAN OR EAST GERMANY.
IF THEY THINK IM GOING TO
VIOLATE THE LAW AFTER HAVING
ALMOST BEEN KILLED BY THE MAFIA,
THE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, THEYRE
OUT OF THEIR MINDS.
>> WHAT DO YOU DO NOW HAVING
LOST YOUR LICENSE?
>> I MIGHT BACK, THATS WHAT I
DO.
WHAT THEY DID SHOULD BE A
PROBLEM FOR THEM.
THEY SHOULD BE BEING
INVESTIGATED.
THATS NOT AMERICAN.
THATS WHAT THEY DO IN
DICTATORSHIPS.
>> OKAY, THATS CUTE COMING FROM
THE GUY WHO USED BOGUS
ALLEGATIONS TO TRY AND OVERTURN
A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION.
IN THE MONTHS AFTER NOVEMBER
3rd, WE SAW GIULIANI LEAD WHAT
CAN ONLY BE CALLED A FANTASY
FRAUD TOUR, EMBRACING AND
REPEATING THE MOST OUTLANDISH
CONSPIRACY THEORIES TO PUSH THE
BIG LIE.
OF COURSE THERE WERE PLENTY OF
SIGNS THAT HIS QUEST WAS DOOMED
LIKE THE FACT THAT HE LAUNCHED
HIS EFFORT FROM THE FOUR SEASONS
TOTAL LANDSCAPING COMPANY IN
PHILADELPHIA, A VENUE HIS TEAM
KWUTZED WITH THE FIVE-STAR HOTEL
CHAIN.
THEN THERE WAS HIS LITERAL
MELTDOWN AT THE RNC.
TRUMPS LEGAL TEAM WAS SUPPOSED
TO RELEASE IT BUT HIS HAIR DYE
STOLE THE SHOW.
THERE WERE MULTIPLE FALSEHOODS
THAT HE SPEWED IN THAT EFFORT.
HERES JUST A SAMPLE OF RUDYS
LIES.
>> THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW MANY
ILLEGALS VOTED, BECAUSE EVERY
ONE OF THOSE ILLEGAL VOTES HAS
TO BE TAKEN OUT.
THE BARE MINIMUM IS 40,000 OR
50,000.
THE REALITY IS ABOUT 250,000.
I GUESS THE CROOKS IN
PHILADELPHIA ARE DISAPPOINTED IN
THIS.
THEY ONLY SUBMITTED 8,021
BALLOTS FROM DEAD PEOPLE.
JOE FRAZIER VOTED IN THE 2018
ELECTION FIVE YEARS AFTER HE WAS
DEAD.
IN PENNSYLVANIA, THERE ARE
600,000 MORE MAIL-IN BALLOTS
THAT CAME IN THAN WERE SENT OUT.
I DONT KNOW WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR
THAT 700,000 DIFFERENCE.
AND I CANT IMAGINE YOU CAN
POSSIBLY CERTIFY IT WITHOUT
KNOWING THE EXPLANATION OF THAT.
>> SURPRISE!
ALL OF THAT WAS FALSE.
THE COURT MADE CLEAR GIULIANI
FAILED TO PROVIDE A SCINTILLA OF
EVIDENCE FOR THE VARYING AND
WILDLY INCONSISTENT NUMBERS OF
DEAD PEOPLE THAT HE ALLEGED HAD
VOTED.
LIKEWISE ON HIS ALLEGATIONS OF
UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS VOTING,
THE COURT SAID THESE ARE SO
WILDLY DIVERGENT AND IRREG
SIELABLE THAT THEY ALL CANNOT BE
TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.
THE COURT ALSO POINTED OUT WHILE
GIULIANIS CLAIMS ULTIMATELY
FAILED ON THE MERITS, THEY
FUELED THE VIOLENCE OF JANUARY
6th, THE WORST ATTACK ON THE
U.S. CAPITOL IN MORE THAN 200
YEARS.
JOINING ME NOW IS GLEN
KIRSCHNER, FORMER FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR AND MSNBC COLUMNIST.
I WANT TO TAKE STOCK OF WHERE
RUDY IS AT THE MOMENT.
HE CANNOT PRACTICE LAW.
HE IS FACING DISBARMENT.
TRUMP NEVER PAID HIM HIS LEGAL
FEES AND HES UNDER CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATIONS FOR HIS DEALINGS
WITH UKRAINE WHERE HE WAS TRYING
TO DIG UP DIRT ON JOE BIDEN AND
HIS SON.
YOUR THOUGHTS ON RUDYS STATUS
IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW?
>> YOU KNOW, JOY, I JUST WATCHED
YOUR LEAD-IN WITH THE CLIPS OF
RUDY SAYING THAT HES GOING TO
FIGHT BACK.
HE APPARENTLY IS INCAPABLE OF
EXPERIENCING SHAME, BECAUSE WHEN
YOU READ THIS 33-PAGE COURT
ORDER, IT -- YOU KNOW, IF IT
WERE ME AS A LAWYER, I WOULD
CRAWL UNDER A ROCK AND YOU WOULD
NEVER HEAR FROM ME AGAIN.
PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO
READ IT BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS
THEY SET OUT ALL OF THE EVIDENCE
SUPPORTING THEIR CONCLUSIONS
THAT RUDY LIED.
HE LIED ABOUT VOTING IN
PENNSYLVANIA, HE LIED ABOUT
VOTING IN GEORGIA, HE LIED ABOUT
ABSENTEE VOTING, HE LIED ABOUT
UNDERAGE VOTING, HE LIED ABOUT
CONVICTED FELONS VOTING.
AND THE COURT IS CAREFUL TO SAY
HE LIED AT PRESS CONFERENCES, HE
LIED AT STATE LEGISLATIVE
HEARINGS, HE LIED ON RADIO
BROADCASTS.
THE COURT NOTES AS BOTH HOST AND
GUEST.
HE LIED ON PODCASTS, TV
APPEARANCES AND HE LIED IN
COURT.
AND IF PEOPLE REALLY ARE WILLING
TO LISTEN TO ANYTHING ELSE RUDY
GIULIANI HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OR
ANYTHING ELSE, WELL, THEN THEY
ARE UNWILLING TO ACCEPT THE
TRUTH.
>> YEAH.
ITS HARD TO FEEL SORRY FOR HIM.
PERSONALLY AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVED
IN NEW YORK IN GIULIANI TIME
ERA, ITS HARD TO HAVE ANY
EMPATHY FOR A GUY WHO SICS THE
POLICE ON BLACK CITIZENS OF NEW
YORK, TRIED TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF
THE MOMENT THAT HE DID ONE GOOD
THING ON 9/11 AND MANAGED
THINGS, AND PROFITED, AND THEN
TURNED TO DOING THIS.
BUT ITS WILD THAT HE DID ALL
THIS FOR SOMEONE WHO DIDNT EVEN
SEEM TO RESPECT HIM.
LET ME READ FOR YOU, THE DAILY
MAIL HAD A NEW BOOK THAT TALKS
ABOUT GIULIANIS RELATIONSHIP
WITH TRUMP.
THIS IS A QUOTE.
DONALD TRUMP ENJOYED TORMENTING
RUDY GIULIANI, MOCKING HIM FOR
FALLING ASLEEP IN MEETINGS AND
CALLING HIM PATHETIC AFTER THE
FORMER MAYORS TELEVISION
APPEARANCES.
RUDY, YOU SUCK, TRUMP TOLD HIM
AFTER ONE TV HIT.
YOU WERE WEAK.
AND GET GIULIANI RARELY
COMPLAINED AND INSTEAD SEEMED TO
CRAVE THE ATTENTION.
SO THIS GUY WAS GETTING ABUSED
BY THE FORMER PRESIDENT, NOT
PAID BY THE FORMER PRESIDENT,
AND YET LIED AND THREW HIS LAW
LICENSE AWAY FOR IT.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT KIND OF
BEHAVIOR?
>> YOU KNOW, BIRDS OF A CORRUPT
FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER.
WHETHER ITS DONALD TRUMP
MOCKING TED CRUZ OR HIS FAMILY
OR, YOU KNOW, MAKING FUN OF
LINDSEY GRAHAM AND THESE, IM
SORRY, VERY WEAK MEN CONTINUING
TO FOLLOW HIM, YOU KNOW, LIKE
THEYRE A WOUNDED PUPPY, I DONT
UNDERSTAND IT.
I GUESS THEY FEEL THE POWER OF
HIS ORBIT AND THEY WANT TO STAY
IN HIS GOOD GRACES SO THEY CAN
KEEP A LITTLE BIT OF THAT POWER
FOR THEMSELVES.
BUT I SAW IN YOUR LEAD-IN, YOU
ALSO HAD THE CLIP WHERE I MEAN
RUDY GIULIANI ALLEGES OF ALL
PEOPLE THAT SMOKIN JOE FRAZIER,
THE FORMER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP,
EVEN VOTED.
YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS FUNNY AND
SOUNDS LIKE A THROWAWAY LINE.
BUT THE NEW YORK COURT WENT SO
FAR AS AS TO GET THE
DOCUMENTATION FROM THE STATE OF
PENNSYLVANIA THAT JOE FRAZIER
WAS TAKEN OFF THE VOTER ROLLS IN
FEBRUARY OF 2012, THREE YEARS
AFTER THE CHAMP DIED.
NOW, YOU KNOW, SO ALL OF THESE
LIES ARE EASY TO TELL.
BUT IT TAKES A WHOLE SYSTEM OF
DETERMINED AND DEDICATED PEOPLE
TO UNCOVER THEM AND TO HOLD THE
RUDY GIULIANIS OF THE WORLD
ACCOUNTABLE.
YOU KNOW, THE COURT WRAPS UP BY
SAYING THESE KIND OF LIES ARE
EXACTLY WHAT LED TO A VIOLENT,
DEADLY, INSURRECTION AND
UNDERMINES CONFIDENCE IN OUR
FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS.
THIS IS NOT FUN AND GAMES.
>> YEAH.
AND IF THOSE OTHER LAWYERS THAT
PARTICIPATED IN THIS ARE PAYING
ATTENTION TO THIS, LOOK SHARP
BECAUSE YOU COULD BE NEXT.
GLEN KIRSCHNER, ALWAYS GREAT TO
TALK TO YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IN A LETTER LAST MONTH, THE
GOVERNOR, GENERAL COUNSEL AND
ATTORNEY GENERAL OF PENNSYLVANIA
URMGD THE APPELLATE COURT IN NEW
YORK TO DISCIPLINE JEWEL OPPY
FOR
-- GIULIANI FOR HIS CONDUCT.
PENNSYLVANIA ELECTION WORKERS
HAVE RECEIVED DEATH THREATS FROM
INDIVIDUALS CONVINCED OF THE
TRUTH OF MR. GIULIANIS LIES.
WITH ME NOW IS PENNSYLVANIA
ATTORNEY GENERAL JOSH SHAPIRO.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE BECAUSE
IT IS EASY TO LAUGH AT AND MOCK
GIULIANI FOR BEING MOCKED BY
TRUMP AND YET LYING FOR HIM AND
LOSING HIS LAW LICENSE.
I THINK WHAT THE JUDGE SAID IS
THE KEY AND ITS THE POINT
YOUVE MADE AS WELL.
THIS RESULTED IN ACTUAL DEATH
THREATS TO REAL PEOPLE, TO REAL
PEOPLE WHO WORKED IN ELECTIONS.
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
>> IT DID.
IT NOT ONLY RESULTED IN ACTUAL
DEATH THREATS TO GREAT PUBLIC
SERVANTS HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA,
BUT AS IVE BEEN SAYING NOW FOR
MONTHS, IT LED DIRECTLY TO THE
VIOLENT INSURRECTION ON OUR
CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th.
AND IN FACT THIS PANEL WHO
SUSPENDED HIS LAW LICENSE TODAY
MADE THAT POINT, THAT BY ABUSING
OUR COURTS AND FEEDING THEM THE
BIG LIE, PRESUMABLY ON BEHALF OF
DONALD TRUMP, IT STOKED THE FIRE
AND LED TO JANUARY 6th.
THIS IS VERY, VERY SERIOUS, AS
YOU CORRECTLY STATE.
NOW, THERES SOME GOOD THAT CAME
OUT OF THE NEWS TODAY, RIGHT?
NUMBER ONE, IT SHOWS THERE IS
ACCOUNTABILITY IN OUR SYSTEM.