GILLIAN: NOW TO A FOX THE NEWS
ALERT. -- FOX NEWS ALERT.
YOU'RE LOOKING LIVE AT EL PASO,
TEXAS, WHERE WE'RE FOLLOWING
REPORTS OF AN ACTIVE SHOOTER
SITUATION.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE
TWEETING A FEW MOMENTS AGO THAT,
QUOTE: THE SCENE IS STILL
ACTIVE.
AND WARNING FOLKS NEAR THE CIELO
VISTA MALL AREA TO STEER CLEAR.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WATCHING
THIS STORY AS IT DEVELOPS.
LELAND, AS YOU MENTIONED
EARLIER, STILL PRECIOUS FEW
FACTS NOBODY --
LELAND: ONE FACT THAT WE'RE
GETTING RIGHT NOW AS WE'RE
WATCHING A POLICE OFFICER -- AND
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE PULLING
OUT SOME OF THEIR LARGER WEAPONS
FROM AN UNMARKED CAR THERE AT
THE BACK OF THIS MALL.
KTSM, WHICH IS THE LOCAL NBC
AFFILIATE, NOW REPORTING THAT 18
PEOPLE WERE SHOT INSIDE THE
WALMART.
EXTENT OF THEIR INJURIES UNKNOWN
AT THE TIME.
AS WE WATCH THIS AND YOU COVER
ENOUGH OF THESE, YOU'VE LEARNED
TO READ A LITTLE BIT OF THE BODY
LANGUAGE OF THE POLICE, WE DON'T
SEE ANYBODY RUNNING, WE DON'T
SEE WEAPONS AT THE NECESSARILY
AND UP.
WE DON'T SEE MORE S.W.A.T. TEAMS
COMING IN, ETC.
YOU WONDER AT THIS TIME IF
POLICE BELIEVE THEY HAVE PART OF
THIS CONTAINED OR AT LEAST
UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED AND
AREN'T CALLING IN MORE UNITS.
IT'S UNCLEAR WHERE THE WALMART
THAT THE NBC STATION IS TALKING
ABOUT IS IN RELATION TO ENTRANCE
TO MALL.
IT WOULD APPEAR THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT ON OUR SCREEN,
BUT THIS SITUATION CERTAINLY
CHANGING NOW IN THE BORDER TOWN
OF EL PASO.
THIS BEGAN UNFOLDING ABOUT NOON
CENTRAL TIME SO, GILLIAN, YOU'D
IMAGINE FAMILIES OUT SHOPPING
THERE ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON,
GETTING GROCERIES IN THER?
, GETTING READY -- IN THE
SUMMER, GETTING READY FOR A
WONDERFUL WEEKEND.
AND THIS MALL SITS JUST ABOUT
HALFWAY BETWEEN THE U.S./MEXICO
BORDER IN EL PASO AND THE
AIRPORT.
GILLIAN: LOOKING AT THE LIVE
PHOTOS OF THE PARKING LOT
OUTSIDE OF THE WALMART AND THE
CIELO VISTA MALL AREA, LOOKS
LIKE A LOT OF CARS PARKED THERE.
YOU KNOW, MIDDLE OF THE DAY, A
BRIGHT, SUNNY SATURDAY.
YOU'VE GOT TO THINK THAT A LOT
OF FAMILIES HEADED TO THE MALL
TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS, TO GET
OUTSIDE AWAY FROM THE HEAT,
MAYBE TO TAKE THEIR FAMILIES
THERE FOR AN AFTERNOON OF SOME
FUN AND SHOPPING.
THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT WHAT ANY
OF THOSE FOLKS WERE IMAGINING
FOR TODAY, FOR THIS SATURDAY.
LELAND: WE HAVE ACCESS TO EL
PASO E POLICE RADIO TAPES.
WE HAVE SOME PRODUCERS LISTENING
TO THOSE, AND WE TRY TO DO THAT
IN THESE SITUATIONS, LISTEN TO
THEM, TRY TO GLEAN WHAT
INFORMATION WE CAN AND ALSO
CHECK TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED ON
THOSE TAPES BEFORE WE PUT THEM
ON AIR.
BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE AS
WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CONTROL
OVER THIS CAMERA OR CAN TALK TO
PHOTOGRAPHER, BUT SOMETIMES IF
THEY COULD PAN A LITTLE TO THE
LEFT -- WE DON'T HAVE ANY
CONTROL OVER THIS PICTURE.
WE SAW A NUMBER OF OFFICERS,
SOME APPEARED TO BE IN CASUAL
CLOTHES, SHORTS AND T-SHIRTS
WITH BULLETPROOF VESTS WALKING
TOWARDS THE BACK ENTRANCES OF
THIS MALL.
THE NBC AFFILIATE REPORTING JUST
THIS, THAT THERE WAS 18 PEOPLE
SHOT.
THE EXTENT OF THEIR INJURIES IS
UNKNOWN.
AND, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GOING TO
TAKE A WHILE TO FIGURE OUT HOW
LONG THIS COULD GO ON BEFORE WE
HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
WE BRING BACK TED WILLIAMS,
FORMER D.C. HOMICIDE DETECTIVE
AND FEDERAL AGENT.
TED, CLEARLY THINGS HAVE CHANGED
SINCE WE LAST TALKED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE A
TELEVISION, BUT WHAT DO YOU MAKE
OF THE POSTURE OF POLICE?
WE DON'T SEE S.W.A.T. TEAMS
LINING UP, WE DON'T SEE OFFICERS
AND GROUPS RUNNING WITH WEAPONS
UP AND AT THE READY.
THE URGENCY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN
PULLED BACK A LITTLE BIT,
ALTHOUGH WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS
IS THE MAIN SCENE.
>> WELL, I'M NOT ACTUALLY ABLE
TO VIEW THE SCENE, BUT I CAN
TELL YOU THIS, IF YOU DO NOT SEE
THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY, IT COULD
VERY WELL BE MORE LIKELY THAN
NOT THAT THE SHOOTER OR SHOOTERS
ARE DOWN.
I SAY THAT NOT HAVING AS MUCH
INFORMATION AS I WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE.
BUT NORMALLY IF, IN FACT, IT WAS
STILL A VERY ACTIVE SCENE, YOU
WOULD FIND THE S.W.A.T. TEAMS IN
PLACE, AND IT APPEARS AS THOUGH
LAW ENFORCEMENT SEEMS TO BE IN A
LAX STATE FROM WHAT YOU'VE BEEN
ABLE TO SEE AND GLEAN.
SO, THEREFORE THE, IT'S MORE
LIKELY THAN NOT THAT THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT ON THAT SCENE ARE
NOW IN CONTROL OF THAT SCENE.
BUT THE TRAGEDY IS, FROM WHAT
I'VE BEEN TOLD THE, THE AMOUNT
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALLEGED TO
HAVE BEEN SHOT, THAT'S CLEARLY A
TRAGEDY.
GILLIAN: TED, KTSM IS REPORTING
THAT THE SHOOTER -- THEY'RE
CONFIRMING THE SHOOTER SHOT AT
18 PEOPLE.
WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER MEAN TO
YOU?
WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU?
>> OH, MY GOD, IT SOUNDS LIKE
IT'S BEEN -- AND I'M, IT SOUNDS
LIKE IT COULD VERY WELL HAVE
COME FROM A SEMIAUTOMATIC
WEAPON, BECAUSE IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT EVEN IN A STORE LIKE
WALMART TO SHOOT THAT MANY
PEOPLE --
LELAND: ALL RIGHT, TED, WE'RE UP
AGAINST THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
NOW NOON MOUNTAIN TIME IN EL
PASO, TEXAS, WHERE WE UNDERSTAND
THAT AT LEAST ACCORDING TO OUR
AFFILIATES 18 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
SHOT INSIDE A LOCAL WALMART
THERE ON A SUNDAY MORNING WHEN
YOU KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE HEADED
OUT WITH THEIR FAMILIES THIS
MORNING AND WITH THEIR LOVED
ONES TO GET READY FOR THE
WEEKEND AND TO DO THEIR WEEKLY
SHOPPING.