>>> WHAT A WEEK. IT IS FRIDAY.
IT IS TIME TO FALL BACK.
I’M JOINED NOW BY PULITZER PRIZE
WINNING AUTHOR AND PRESIDENTIAL
HISTORIAN DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN.
HER BOOK "TEAM OF RIVALS"
ADAMMED INTO THE FILM "LINCOLN"
FOR WHICH HE WORKED ALONG STEVEN
SPIELBERG.
SPIELBERG. AND I’M JOINED BY WORKING WITH
LEGENDARY PRODUCERS FROM MISSY
ELLIOTT TO LUDACRIS TO GERMANE
DUPREE.
DUPREE. THE ’94 DEBUT ALBUM FUNKIFIED
HIT.
HIT. SHE IS NOW CO-HOST OF THE POP
CULTURE SHOW "DISH NATION" AND A
CAST MEMBER ON THE REALITY SHOW
"GROWING UP HIP-HOP ATLANTA."
THEN BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW IT IS
ON LIVE TV, MOMENTS AGO A FRIEND
OF THIS SHOW, MICHAEL ERIC DYSON
GAVE HER THIS SHOUT OUT.
>> I MEAN, TO 2 D TO THE B TO
THE B-R-A-T, DA BUREAUCRAT.
LEAVING THESE PEOPLE WITH
HIEROGLYPHIC
HIEROGLYPHIC HIEROGLYPHICS.
HIEROGLYPHICS. DO IT, DA BUREAUCRAT.
>> THANK YOU.
THAT IS SO NICE.
>> HE IS A BIG HIP-HOP SCHOLAR.
>> I LOVE HIM.
I SEE HIM OFTEN IN DIFFERENT
PLACES.
PLACES. HE IS AWESOME.
I’M ON THE RICKEY SMILEY SHOW
EVERY MORNING.
EVERY MORNING. HE LOVES YOU.
HE IS WATCHING THE SHOW RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. >> THAT’S NICE.
SHOUT OUT.
SHOUT OUT. >> HE IS ONE OF THE BEST
COMEDIANS.
COMEDIANS. >> I’M THRILLED TO HAVE BOTH OF
YOU HERE AND HERE TOGETHER.
LET’S GET TO IT.
DORIS, WHAT’S ON YOUR FALL BACK
LIST?
LIST? >> I THINK WHAT I FEEL STRONGEST
ABOUT THIS WEEK IS WE’RE
FORGETTING HISTORY.
FORGETTING HISTORY. I’VE LOVED HISTORY FROM THE
MOMENT I WAS BORN, I THINK, I
LOVE TELLING STORIES.
AND THINK ABOUT ALL THE
ANTI-IMMIGRANT FEELINGS THAT
HAVE BEEN ESCALATING IN THIS
LAST WEEK, ESPECIALLY SHOWING
IT.
IT. AND IMMIGRATION HAS MADE OUR
COUNTRY STRONG EVERY SINGLE
TIME.
TIME. FIRST THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT
THE IRISH COMING IN.
MY FATHER ALOYSIUS KEARNS CAME
IN.
IN. AND THEN EASTERN EUROPE.
HENRY CABOT LODGE GAVE A SPEECH
ON THE SENATE FLOOR IN THE
1890s.
1890s. HE SAID IF WE BRING IN THESE
PEOPLE FROM THE EASTERN EUROPE,
THE ANGLO-SAXON RACE WILL BE
DIMINISHED.
DIMINISHED. THE MORAL CIVILIZATION OF
AMERICA WILL UNDO ITSELF.
AND OF COURSE THEY CAME IN AND
OF COURSE THEY MADE US BETTER.
AND PEOPLE LATINOS AND AFRICANS
AND MUSLIMS.
AND MUSLIMS. THIS IS A CULTURE OF DIVERSITY.
HISTORY SUGGESTS THIS IS WHAT
HAS MADE US.
WE’RE A NATION OF NATIONS.
I’M REALLY UPSET THAT HISTORY IS
NOT BEING REGARDED.
HISTORY HELPS US.
IT GIVES US PERSPECTIVE AND
SOLACE.
SOLACE. AND I FEEL YOUNGER BEING HERE.
I’M NOT JUST HISTORY.
I’M HERE WITH A RAPPER.
>> I LOVE IT.
>> I FEEL KIND OF SMALL NEXT TO
HER BECAUSE SHE SO INTO THE
HISTORY OF EVERYTHING AND SHE’S
SO SMART ANDS WE TELLING ME ALL
THESE STORIES HOW HER HUSBAND
WAS WITH KENNEDY.
WHAT?
WHAT? I FEEL HONORED TO BE SITTING
HERE WITH YOU.
>> AND WE’RE TWO WOMEN.
>> I LOVE IT.
TWO POWERFUL WOMEN.
>> YES.
>> YES. >> AND YOU ALSO WORKED IN THE
WHITE HOUSE?
WHITE HOUSE? >> I DID UNDER LBJ WHEN I WAS 24
YEARS OLD.
YEARS OLD. THAT WAS QUITE AN EXPERIENCE.
>> THAT’S AMAZING.
AND YOU DID WRITE A BOOK.
I’VE GOT TO GET IT.
>> SURE.
>> SURE. AND THEY’RE BIG AND FAT.
>> THAT’S OKAY.
I LOVE BIG AND FAT.
>> I LOVE YOU TWO.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THIS
WEEK?
WEEK? >> OH, MAN, IT’S JUST BEEN VERY
TRAUMATIC.
TRAUMATIC. AND I THINK IT’S INHUMANE TO
SEPARATE KIDS FROM THEIR
PARENTS.
PARENTS. AND FOR THOSE KIDS TO COME OUT
OF SCHOOL AND THEIR PARENTS NOT
BE THERE TO PICK THEM UP OR AND
TO SEE THEIR REACTIONS AND THEM
CRYING, IT’S VERY SAD.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK THE RACISM THAT
TRUMP PORTRAYS AND HE ACTS LIKE
HE DOESN’T AND HE’S SO FOR THE
PEOPLE, IT’S CLEARLY NOT.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THESE THINGS?
WHY WOULD YOU SEPARATE PARENTS
FROM CHILDREN?
FROM CHILDREN? THAT IS THE WORST THING TO ME.
BECAUSE WHAT ARE THESE CHILDREN
GOING TO DO?
CAN YOU IMAGINE GOING TO SCHOOL
AND COMING OUT OF SCHOOL AND
YOUR PARENTS HAVE BEEN TAKEN
AWAY?
AWAY? WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO?
AND THEY’RE NOT TAKING CARE OF
THE KIDS.
THE KIDS. WHAT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE
CHILDREN?
CHILDREN? WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO MAKE SURE
THESE CHILDREN ARE OKAY?
I KNOW THEY PROBABLY DIDN’T WANT
TO GIVE THEM A WARNING THAT THIS
WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE SOME
PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY RUN, BUT
JUST MAKE SURE THE CHILDREN OR
SOMEONE IS THERE FOR THE
CHILDREN, WHETHER IT’S A
THERAPIST OR I DON’T KNOW,
SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY’S GRANDMOTHER
OR ANYBODY TO COME AND CONSOLE
THESE CHILDREN AND NOT JUST
LEAVE THEM STANDING THERE WITH
NOTHING OR NO ONE OR NO
EXPLANATION.
EXPLANATION. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. IT’S ENDING A WEEK THAT WAS
ALREADY TOO HARD AND SEEING HOW
PEOPLE ARE LIVING.
IT’S SO IMPORTANT.
I KNOW YOU HAD ONE MORE.
WHAT ELSE IS ON YOUR LIST,
DORIS?
DORIS? >> I THINK WHAT I WORRY ABOUT
TODAY IS IF YOU WANTED A LEADER
TO TALK TO US COLLECTIVELY, THEY
CAN’T DO IT ANYMORE.
THE MEDIA IS FRAGMENTED.
YOU’VE GOT CABLE NETWORKS.
WHEN FDR WOULD GIVE HIS FIRESIDE
CHATS, IT WAS A COLLECTIVE
EXPERIENCE.
EXPERIENCE. YOU COULD WALK DOWN THE STREET
AND EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT
THEIR RADIOS THERE IS A STORY
ABOUT A CONSTRUCTION WORKER
RUNNING HOME ONE NIGHT AND HIS
PARTNER SAID WHERE ARE YOU
DOING?
DOING? HE SAID THE PRESIDENT IS COMING
TO MY LIVING ROOM THIS EVENING.
I HAVE TO BE THERE TO GREET HIM.
WHERE CAN WE TURN TO GET THAT
SENSE WITH MEDIA BEING SO
DIVIDED?
DIVIDED? >> IT’S GOOD GETTING THE 411
FROM DORIS.
FROM DORIS. >> YES.
>> YES. I HAVE TO GET HER PHONE NUMBER.
I’M GOING TO HANG OVER AND COME
OVER.
OVER. I WANT TO GET FILLED WITH THE
KNOWLEDGE.
KNOWLEDGE. >> AND YOU’LL TELL ME HOW TO
TELL STORIES THROUGH RAP.
>> WE SHOULD DO A TV SHOW.
>> MAYBE ARI CAN COME.
>> YOU ARE DOING A TV SHOW.
JUST RIGHT NOW.
I GOT TO PLAY SOMETHING FOR YOU.
WE ARE A TV SHOW.
WE’RE A NEWS SHOW.
WE ALSO HAVE A MUSIC PLAY LIST
OF SOME OF OUR FAVORITE ARTISTS.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. >> YOU’RE ON IT.
>> I KNOW.
I SAW IT.
I SAW IT. >> AND NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH
SOME HIP-HOP BUSINESS.
>> UH-OH.
>> UH-OH. >> BECAUSE I WAS ON A NEW YORK
RADIO SHOW, HOT 97.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. >> THEY ASKED ABOUT MY LIST.
OF COURSE YOU’RE ON MY LIST.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. >> AND THEN ROSENBERG, WHO IS A
DJ, I THINK YOU KNOW HIM.
>> I KNOW ROSENBERG.
>> THEN THIS HAPPENED.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> OH, MY.
>> I AM WATCHING THE SPOTIFY
PLAY LIST FOR OUR NEWS SHOW "THE
BEAT" ON YOUR SHOW.
>> YOU HAVE YOU GREAT SONGS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> TELL ME, WHAT IS ABOUT DA
BRAT AND TYRESE?
>> I LOOKED.
GREAT PLAY LIST.
I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU PUT
DA BRAT AND TYRESE?
>> WHAT’S WRONG WITH THAT?
>> HE HATES IT.
>> NOW BEFORE I EVEN GET YOUR
RESPONSE, I’M GOING TO TELL
ROSENBERG TO FALL BACK.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. >> WE DID OUR HOMEWORK AND
CHECKED.
CHECKED. HE HAS ALSO REFERRED TO YOU IN
OTHER TIMES AS A, QUOTE, DOPE
RAPPER, PUT YOU ON THE LIST OF
BEST FEMALE EMCEE SONGS.
SO HE MAY HAVE MIXED FEELINGS.
WHAT’S YOUR RESPONSE?
>> IT’S KIND OF CONTRADICTING.
MAYBE HE JUST HATES THAT
PARTICULAR SONG, BUT I LOVE IT,
AND I HAVE SO MANY FANS THAT
LOVE IT.
LOVE IT. I KIND OF BECAME THE FIRST
FEMALE RAPPER TO EVER SELL A
MILLION RECORDS.
MILLION RECORDS. HAVE I PEOPLE THAT LOVE IT.
HIS OPINION REALLY DOESN’T
MATTER TO ME BECAUSE I’VE BEEN
ON LISTS THAT HE’S CREATED IN
HIS TOP TEN.
SO I’M NOT COMPLAINING AT ALL.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR
COMMENTS OR WHATEVER.
HE CAN KICK ROCKS.
I AM THRIVING.
I AM SUCCESSFUL.
I AM SO, SO BLESSED.
I’M ON DIFFERENT TELEVISION
SHOWS.
SHOWS. >> I HEARD YOU’RE SO, SO DEF AND
MOST BLESSED.
MOST BLESSED. >> I AM SO, SO DEF.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
ME.
ME. >> YOU KNOW I’M A FAN OF BOTH
YOU HAVE.
YOU HAVE. >> SO MUCH.
>> I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE