THAT, I WANT TO TALK TO MALCOLM
NANCE.
MALCOLM IS AN MSNBC
COUNTERTERRORISM AND
INTELLIGENCE ANALYST.
MALCOLM, YOU’VE BEEN TELLING US
THIS HAS BEEN COMING FOR YEARS.
IT’S HAPPENING PRETTY MUCH
EXACTLY AS YOU SAID IT WOULD,
AND NOW THE CIA IS SAYING
VLADIMIR PUTIN IS HANDS ON.
HE IS PROBABLY -- THEY HAVE THE
WORD PROBABLY THERE -- PROBABLY
HANDS JOHN IN
HANDS ON IN THIS EFFORT.
>> I THINK THAT WAS A VERY
CAREFUL ASSESSMENT IN ORDER NOT
TO INFURIATE DONALD TRUMP, HIS
NUMBER-ONE PATRIOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, VLADIMIR PUTIN
DETERMINED THAT HE WAS GOING TO
ATTACK THE UNITED STATES IN
2014.
THAT IS THE FIRST TIME WE
RECEIVED POSITIVE INDICATIONS
THAT THE RUSSIAN INTERNET
RESEARCH AGENCY WAS STOOD UP IN
SEPTEMBER OF 2014 AND STARTED
HIRING ENGLISH LINGUISTS AND
CARRY OUT INFLUENCE OPERATIONS
AGAINST THE NRA, AMERICAN
EVANGELICALS, AND CO-OPTED
DONALD TRUMP AT THE MISS
UNIVERSE PAGEANT.
SO FOR THEM TO FINALLY COME OUT
AND SAY, HEY, WE BELIEVE
VLADIMIR PUTIN DIRECTED THE
ACTIVITIES RELATED TO 2020,
THAT’S PRETTY EASY CALL BECAUSE
YOU DO NOT ATTACK THE ENTIRE
AMERICAN ELECTORAL PROCESS
WITHOUT THE LEADER OF YOUR
COUNTRY ORDERING YOU TO DO IT.
>> LET’S LISTEN TO WHAT SENATOR
KAMALA HARRIS SAID ABOUT THIS
TONIGHT.
>> I SERVE ON THE SENATE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, AND I
WILL TELL YOU PLEASE BELIEVE
EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN
PUBLISHED.
RUSSIA INTERFERED IN THE
ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES IN 2016, AND THEY
WILL DO IT AGAIN.
IN 2016, THEY TARGETED BLACK
VOTERS.
IT’S PART OF THE REPORT.
AND YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE THEY -- THEY KNEW THAT
THEY COULD TRY AND TAP INTO A
RIGHTEOUS DISTRUST OF THE
SYSTEM.
>> MALCOLM, YOUR REACTION TO
THAT.
>> YOU KNOW, RUSSIA IS NOT THE
COUNTRY THAT YOU THINK SPRUNG UP
OUT OF THE GROUND IN 1989, THE
RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
PRIOR TO THAT, THEY HAD AN
INTELLIGENCE AGENCY CALLED THE
KGB, WHICH FOR 70 YEARS USED ALL
OF ITS DEEP ACADEMIC STUDIES AND
ANALYSIS OF THE UNITED STATES TO
DETERMINE HOW THEY WOULD MOVE
FORWARD IN PROPAGANDA AND
POLITICAL WARFARE.
THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION JUST
ADOPTED ALL OF THAT INFORMATION
THROUGH ITS SPYMASTER IN CHIEF,
VLADIMIR PUTIN, AN EX-KGB
OFFICER.
NOW, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY
KNOW US.
THEY KNOW US DEEPLY.
THEY UNDERSTAND THE FAULT LINES
OF AMERICA WITH GREAT DETAIL.
AND SO WE DITHER AND ARGUE AND
TRY TO COMPROMISE OVER HOW WE’RE
GOING TO CARRY OUT INTELLIGENCE
ACTIVITIES.
THEY DIRECT AND ATTACK DIRECTLY.
SO KAMALA HARRIS IS RIGHT.
THEY UNDERSTAND THE INCENDIARY
NATURE OF RACISM IN AMERICA, AND
THEY ATTACK THAT FAULT LINE.
BUT NOW THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN
GUY IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO A
CERTAIN EXTENT, CERTAINLY
RHETORICALLY, THEY DON’T HAVE TO
DO ANYTHING.
THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY DOES ALL
THE LEGWORK FOR THEM.
>> LET’S LISTEN TO WHAT THE FBI
DIRECTOR, CHRISTOPHER WRAY, SAID
ABOUT THIS ON SEPTEMBER 17th.
>> WE CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN VERY
ACTIVE, VERY ACTIVE EFFORTS BY
THE RUSSIANS TO INFLUENCE OUR
ELECTION IN 2020 THROUGH WHAT I
WOULD CALL MORE THE MALIGN
FOREIGN INFLUENCE SIDE OF
THINGS, SOCIAL MEDIA, USE OF
PROXIES, STATE MEDIA, ONLINE
JOURNALS, ET CETERA, IN AN
EFFORT TO BOTH SOW DIVISIVENESS
AND DISCORD AND -- AND I THINK
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAS
ASSESSED THIS PUBLICLY --
PRIMARILY TO DENIGRATE VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN.
>> AND THE NEXT DAY, DONALD
TRUMP SAID, I DIDN’T LIKE HIS
ANSWERS YESTERDAY, AND I’M NOT
SURE HE LIKED THEM EITHER.
I’M SURE THAT HE PROBABLY WOULD
AGREE WITH ME, WHICH IS THE MOST
PSYCHO POSSIBLE RESPONSE.
HE DOESN’T JUST SAY THAT THE
FBI -- I DISAGREE WITH THE FBI
DIRECTOR.
HE THEN SAYS THAT THE FBI
DIRECTOR DOESN’T REALLY MEAN
WHAT HE SAYS, AND HE SECRETLY
REALLY AGREES WITH ME.
>> YOU KNOW, I FIND IT
FASCINATING BECAUSE VLADIMIR
PUTIN WAS A HUMAN INTELLIGENCE
OFFICER.
HIS JOB WHEN HE LIVED IN
DRESDEN -- AND I’VE BEEN TO HIS
OFFICE IN DRESDEN.
VERY INTERESTING -- WAS TO TURN
PEOPLE WHO CAME INTO EAST
GERMANY INTO SPIES THROUGH
MANIPULATING THEIR HUMAN FOIBLES
AND THEIR PERSONAL OR FINANCIAL
CHALLENGES.
VLADIMIR PUTIN MUST FIND DONALD
TRUMP AN ABSOLUTELY EASY MARK TO
MANIPULATE BECAUSE TRUMP WILL
LIE IN THE SAME SENTENCE, THE
SAME BREATH, THAT HE WILL
ATTEMPT TO MANIPULATE THE WORDS
OF ANOTHER PERSON WITH A STATURE
LIKE THE FBI DIRECTOR.
SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT SETS
YOUR OWN COUNTRY UP, THE UNITED
STATES, FOR ABSOLUTE FAILURE.
ANYTHING THAT IS INJECTED
THROUGH FOREIGN MALIGN INFLUENCE
INTO THE INFORMATION SPHERE